[HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?

Sun Jan 30 16:31:54 GMT 2011

Joseph-

Thanks for spotting Amman,
Great if someone can take a pass at the SpotImage catalog -
app<http://spotcatalog.appspot.com/>or SpotImage
online catalogue<http://www.spot.com/web/SICORP/1249-sicorp-sirius-spot-image-online-catalogue.php>and
identify suitable scenes for us.

Ciao
Nicolas

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>wrote:

> >I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with Bing.
>  Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities >throughout Egypt
> have great Bing imagery.
>
> The one exception within the area mentioned by Nicolas is Amman, which
> currently not covered by Bing imagery. This is probably not a priority
> at the moment, but could be potentially be an issue in the future.
>
> Cheers, Joseph
>
>
>
>
> On 30 January 2011 14:51, Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:40 AM, nicolas chavent <
> nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi there-
> >>
> >> I found the below thread in Crisis Mappers about Egypt and Tunisia and
> >> mapping political crisis interesting.
> >> On our side, I think that the answer is just supporting the continuation
> >> of the OSM project in those territories with as always the question
> about
> >> the level of resources we can invest in this.
> >
> > It would be a shame if we didn't devote significant effort to improving
> OSM
> > coverage, given the outstanding Bing imagery.  Let's support our OSM
> mappers
> > there. (and hope they are safe!)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Most of the reported actions happening in the heart of the major cities
> >> this can lead to improving the mapping of those cities.
> >
> > Cairo is already mapped quite good.  The slum areas not as well, but
> Midan
> > Tahrir is good... good enough and really can only be improved with on the
> > ground mapping. (POIs, etc.)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It's unlikely that our classic outreach actions towards vector data will
> >> be successful to bring in good open vector data, perhaps we can get more
> >> luck with Spot on imagery if yahoo and bing can be complemented.
> >
> > I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with Bing.
> > Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities throughout Egypt
> > have great Bing imagery.
> >
> > -Katie
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >> Ciao
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?
> >> To: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi there-
> >>
> >> Thanks for those who initiated and contributed to this thread which
> brings
> >> in the front the key questions that CM as a community has to consider
> when
> >> it comes to mapping conflicts or complex emergencies.
> >>
> >> The below are some thoughts inspired by the situation in Tunisia and
> >> Egypt, I am speaking here only on my name and the below positions are
> not
> >> the one of HOT.
> >>
> >> Tunisia, Egypt and Jordan call for maps by the CM network and I see no
> >> reason why this call shall not be answered. Conflicts or complex
> emergencies
> >> are in the scope of CM and all the points developed in the above thread
> >> apply to mapping happening in such a context and as such applies also
> for
> >> mapping in Pakistan or the the on-going mapping ongoing now in South
> Sudan.
> >> None of those points were raised in those 2 crisis. By mapping Flooding
> in
> >> Pakistan opens for the same question raised for Tunisia and Egypt,
> Pakistan
> >> being a complex emergency. The same applies for South Sudan. No
> questions
> >> raised and on our side an interestting mapping work done or in the
> making.
> >> Why acting differently in Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan or other countries from
> the
> >> Magrheb/ Mashrek?
> >>
> >> Generally,in front of a conflict, CM is expected or has to create open
> >> baseline maps (transportation, hydro, boundary), open humanitarian
> baseline
> >> maps (warehouses, camps, bladder, mobile clinics) and maps of fluid
> >> situational facts (violence incidents, road blocks, protests, events
> ...).
> >> Classic mapping techniques and crowd sourced approaches will be
> mobilized
> >> within our network under openness as our operational paradigm: the
> crisis
> >> will be mapped by the crowd for the crowd, the crowd being any
> individual or
> >> group interested/ and or active for the territory struck by the crisis,
> this
> >> mapping will happen as the result of coordinated or uncoordinated
> actions by
> >> remote and on-site entities. OSM and ushaidi furnishing 2 paradigms of
> >> baseline and situational mapping by the crowd. The resulting maps are
> not
> >> going to be perfect, depicting accurately, timely and in a an
> "objective"
> >> fashion the reality of the crisis. We know from the experience that with
> the
> >> time and with participation, those maps will be portray ok the reality
> and
> >> will be usable assets for those on the ground or afar who are working on
> the
> >> territories hit by the crisis.
> >>
> >> Sure mapping political crisis is a complex task (just think about the
> >> enormous academic literature on this subject by academics and
> practitioners)
> >> with implications, "no undo buttons", where mapping enters into
> politics.
> >> This did not prevent us from mapping in territories hit by conflicts or
> >> conflict prone (Pakistan and South Sudan). Are we going to have a
> different
> >> stand on Tunisia and Egypt and wait for digesting this complex and
> >> literature? The value of CM lies in its mix of people belonging to all
> those
> >> realms (academics, practitioners, social media activists, software
> >> developers etc etc ), an empiricist approach when it comes to learning,
> did
> >> not we learn from doing over the past years in the many crisis
> iterations?
> >>
> >> My point here is that T, E and any country affected by a crisis deserves
> >> action on our end, that we will not start from nothing in terms of
> awareness
> >> about what mapping a crisis implies and that we will keep learning and
> >> contributing hopefully in a significant manner to the literature
> academic
> >> and operational about conflict/ complex emergency mapping by being
> active in
> >> this field.
> >>
> >> The questions ahead of us are more on how CM can respond this call given
> >> that there are for each crisis tech issues and procedures issues for
> this
> >> and that resources are not infinite.
> >> Is it an objective for this group to ensure at the occurrence of each
> >> crisis the infrastructure for this mapping (baseline maps and
> situational
> >> facts) to happen with a first remote activation that can be then handed
> over
> >> on the ground to individuals and groups active throughout the crisis and
> >> willing to maintain it the way that both OSM and USHAIDI (in a more easy
> >> context) acted in Haiti with a hand over to C-OSM.HA (Communaute
> >> OpenStreetMap Haiti) and Noula.
> >>
> >> This being said, like some intervening in the thread, I have almost no
> >> time to devote to Tunisia and Egypt, but most happy to support even
> >> minmially those who would stand up and strengthen the existing crowd map
> >> efforts mentioned in the thread.
> >>
> >> I'd be also very interested in hearing about a crowd sourced mapping
> >> project to keep track of the political violences in Ivory Coast which is
> >> made necessary by the level of tensions on the ground and the real risk
> of a
> >> large scale political regional crisis.
> >>
> >> I look forward to the continuation of this thread and to any answers or
> >> pointers on Ivory Coast
> >>
> >> Thanks and best
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Leesa Astredo <leesaastredo at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I feel that as a global community, it is imperative that we get
> >>> "involved" in all issues of the world. Isn't that why we all are here?
> To
> >>> inform the world? Good, Bad or indifferent. Our "clients" are global.
> If it
> >>> affects them, it should be addressed by us. IMHO. @viequesbound
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, John Crowley <bostoncello at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This comment brings up a very good question for the community: when
> >>>> getting "involved" with conflicts and political movements, what is our
> >>>> stance on neutrality? Does CM get involved in supporting the efforts
> of a
> >>>> particular side? If so, what effects will such advocacy--or perception
> of
> >>>> advocacy--have on future efforts on our work in hard places?
> >>>> These are hard questions to be contemplated carefully.
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, omDesign <omdesign.is at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it's well within the mandate of Crisis mappers and the SBTF
> to
> >>>>> get more involved with the Egyptian and Tunisian upheaval.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have seen the http://25jan.crowdmap.com/ Jan 25 crowdmap but with
> >>>>> democracy on the line and likelihood of violence the need and
> rationale
> >>>>> exists for translation/coordination/ and people first support
> measures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Om
> >>>>>
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> >> Nicolas Chavent
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> >>
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