[HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?

Joseph Reeves iknowjoseph at gmail.com
Sun Jan 30 16:55:56 GMT 2011


It may be that my searching skills aren't up to scratch, but for both
sites I was returned a "no results found".

Cheers, Joseph




On 30 January 2011 16:31, nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joseph-
>
> Thanks for spotting Amman,
> Great if someone can take a pass at the SpotImage catalog - app or SpotImage
> online catalogue and identify suitable scenes for us.
>
> Ciao
> Nicolas
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with Bing.
>> >  Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities >throughout Egypt
>> > have great Bing imagery.
>>
>> The one exception within the area mentioned by Nicolas is Amman, which
>> currently not covered by Bing imagery. This is probably not a priority
>> at the moment, but could be potentially be an issue in the future.
>>
>> Cheers, Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 January 2011 14:51, Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:40 AM, nicolas chavent
>> > <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi there-
>> >>
>> >> I found the below thread in Crisis Mappers about Egypt and Tunisia and
>> >> mapping political crisis interesting.
>> >> On our side, I think that the answer is just supporting the
>> >> continuation
>> >> of the OSM project in those territories with as always the question
>> >> about
>> >> the level of resources we can invest in this.
>> >
>> > It would be a shame if we didn't devote significant effort to improving
>> > OSM
>> > coverage, given the outstanding Bing imagery.  Let's support our OSM
>> > mappers
>> > there. (and hope they are safe!)
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Most of the reported actions happening in the heart of the major cities
>> >> this can lead to improving the mapping of those cities.
>> >
>> > Cairo is already mapped quite good.  The slum areas not as well, but
>> > Midan
>> > Tahrir is good... good enough and really can only be improved with on
>> > the
>> > ground mapping. (POIs, etc.)
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It's unlikely that our classic outreach actions towards vector data
>> >> will
>> >> be successful to bring in good open vector data, perhaps we can get
>> >> more
>> >> luck with Spot on imagery if yahoo and bing can be complemented.
>> >
>> > I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with Bing.
>> > Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities throughout Egypt
>> > have great Bing imagery.
>> >
>> > -Katie
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts?
>> >> Ciao
>> >>
>> >> Nicolas
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:31 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?
>> >> To: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi there-
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for those who initiated and contributed to this thread which
>> >> brings
>> >> in the front the key questions that CM as a community has to consider
>> >> when
>> >> it comes to mapping conflicts or complex emergencies.
>> >>
>> >> The below are some thoughts inspired by the situation in Tunisia and
>> >> Egypt, I am speaking here only on my name and the below positions are
>> >> not
>> >> the one of HOT.
>> >>
>> >> Tunisia, Egypt and Jordan call for maps by the CM network and I see no
>> >> reason why this call shall not be answered. Conflicts or complex
>> >> emergencies
>> >> are in the scope of CM and all the points developed in the above thread
>> >> apply to mapping happening in such a context and as such applies also
>> >> for
>> >> mapping in Pakistan or the the on-going mapping ongoing now in South
>> >> Sudan.
>> >> None of those points were raised in those 2 crisis. By mapping Flooding
>> >> in
>> >> Pakistan opens for the same question raised for Tunisia and Egypt,
>> >> Pakistan
>> >> being a complex emergency. The same applies for South Sudan. No
>> >> questions
>> >> raised and on our side an interestting mapping work done or in the
>> >> making.
>> >> Why acting differently in Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan or other countries
>> >> from the
>> >> Magrheb/ Mashrek?
>> >>
>> >> Generally,in front of a conflict, CM is expected or has to create open
>> >> baseline maps (transportation, hydro, boundary), open humanitarian
>> >> baseline
>> >> maps (warehouses, camps, bladder, mobile clinics) and maps of fluid
>> >> situational facts (violence incidents, road blocks, protests, events
>> >> ...).
>> >> Classic mapping techniques and crowd sourced approaches will be
>> >> mobilized
>> >> within our network under openness as our operational paradigm: the
>> >> crisis
>> >> will be mapped by the crowd for the crowd, the crowd being any
>> >> individual or
>> >> group interested/ and or active for the territory struck by the crisis,
>> >> this
>> >> mapping will happen as the result of coordinated or uncoordinated
>> >> actions by
>> >> remote and on-site entities. OSM and ushaidi furnishing 2 paradigms of
>> >> baseline and situational mapping by the crowd. The resulting maps are
>> >> not
>> >> going to be perfect, depicting accurately, timely and in a an
>> >> "objective"
>> >> fashion the reality of the crisis. We know from the experience that
>> >> with the
>> >> time and with participation, those maps will be portray ok the reality
>> >> and
>> >> will be usable assets for those on the ground or afar who are working
>> >> on the
>> >> territories hit by the crisis.
>> >>
>> >> Sure mapping political crisis is a complex task (just think about the
>> >> enormous academic literature on this subject by academics and
>> >> practitioners)
>> >> with implications, "no undo buttons", where mapping enters into
>> >> politics.
>> >> This did not prevent us from mapping in territories hit by conflicts or
>> >> conflict prone (Pakistan and South Sudan). Are we going to have a
>> >> different
>> >> stand on Tunisia and Egypt and wait for digesting this complex and
>> >> literature? The value of CM lies in its mix of people belonging to all
>> >> those
>> >> realms (academics, practitioners, social media activists, software
>> >> developers etc etc ), an empiricist approach when it comes to learning,
>> >> did
>> >> not we learn from doing over the past years in the many crisis
>> >> iterations?
>> >>
>> >> My point here is that T, E and any country affected by a crisis
>> >> deserves
>> >> action on our end, that we will not start from nothing in terms of
>> >> awareness
>> >> about what mapping a crisis implies and that we will keep learning and
>> >> contributing hopefully in a significant manner to the literature
>> >> academic
>> >> and operational about conflict/ complex emergency mapping by being
>> >> active in
>> >> this field.
>> >>
>> >> The questions ahead of us are more on how CM can respond this call
>> >> given
>> >> that there are for each crisis tech issues and procedures issues for
>> >> this
>> >> and that resources are not infinite.
>> >> Is it an objective for this group to ensure at the occurrence of each
>> >> crisis the infrastructure for this mapping (baseline maps and
>> >> situational
>> >> facts) to happen with a first remote activation that can be then handed
>> >> over
>> >> on the ground to individuals and groups active throughout the crisis
>> >> and
>> >> willing to maintain it the way that both OSM and USHAIDI (in a more
>> >> easy
>> >> context) acted in Haiti with a hand over to C-OSM.HA (Communaute
>> >> OpenStreetMap Haiti) and Noula.
>> >>
>> >> This being said, like some intervening in the thread, I have almost no
>> >> time to devote to Tunisia and Egypt, but most happy to support even
>> >> minmially those who would stand up and strengthen the existing crowd
>> >> map
>> >> efforts mentioned in the thread.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be also very interested in hearing about a crowd sourced mapping
>> >> project to keep track of the political violences in Ivory Coast which
>> >> is
>> >> made necessary by the level of tensions on the ground and the real risk
>> >> of a
>> >> large scale political regional crisis.
>> >>
>> >> I look forward to the continuation of this thread and to any answers or
>> >> pointers on Ivory Coast
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and best
>> >>
>> >> Nicolas
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Leesa Astredo <leesaastredo at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I feel that as a global community, it is imperative that we get
>> >>> "involved" in all issues of the world. Isn't that why we all are here?
>> >>> To
>> >>> inform the world? Good, Bad or indifferent. Our "clients" are global.
>> >>> If it
>> >>> affects them, it should be addressed by us. IMHO. @viequesbound
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, John Crowley <bostoncello at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This comment brings up a very good question for the community: when
>> >>>> getting "involved" with conflicts and political movements, what is
>> >>>> our
>> >>>> stance on neutrality? Does CM get involved in supporting the efforts
>> >>>> of a
>> >>>> particular side? If so, what effects will such advocacy--or
>> >>>> perception of
>> >>>> advocacy--have on future efforts on our work in hard places?
>> >>>> These are hard questions to be contemplated carefully.
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, omDesign <omdesign.is at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think it's well within the mandate of Crisis mappers and the SBTF
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> get more involved with the Egyptian and Tunisian upheaval.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have seen the http://25jan.crowdmap.com/ Jan 25 crowdmap but with
>> >>>>> democracy on the line and likelihood of violence the need and
>> >>>>> rationale
>> >>>>> exists for translation/coordination/ and people first support
>> >>>>> measures.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Om
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> ______________________________
>> >>>> John Crowley
>> >>>> Harvard Humanitarian Initiative &
>> >>>> National Defense University/Center for Tech and National Security
>> >>>> Policy
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>> >>>
>> >>> --
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> My blogs
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>> >>>
>> >>> http://hurricane-2010.blogspot.com/
>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Nicolas Chavent
>> >> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
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>> >> Email: nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
>> >> Skype: c_nicolas
>> >> Twitter: nicolas_chavent
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Nicolas Chavent
>> >> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti
>> >> Mobile (Haiti): +509 389 583 05
>> >> Mobile (France): +33 6 89 45 54 58
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>> >> Email: nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
>> >> Skype: c_nicolas
>> >> Twitter: nicolas_chavent
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > Katie Filbert
>> > filbertk at gmail.com
>> > @filbertkm
>> >
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