[HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?

Joseph Reeves iknowjoseph at gmail.com
Sun Jan 30 19:20:33 GMT 2011


Excellent, is good to see that the problem lay in my searching skills :-)

I was in Amman last October and I think we can safely say that imagery
from 2009 isn't going to be too old for our purposes; I'm sure it
would be very valuable to us.

Cheers all, Joseph



On 30 January 2011 19:07, nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the search Jeff-
>
> It looks like 2009 5m res is suitable and suggest that we request this image
> unless someone has a different view on this
> Again thanks for the support that Spot Image through the YouMapps project is
> providing to OSM and HOT
>
> Ciao
> Nicolas
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jean-Francois (Jeff) Faudi
> <jeanfrancois.faudi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all,
>>
>> Well, it seems that there are no images of Amman taken in 2010 that could
>> be provided to OSM (through the YouMapps project).
>>
>> You have to extend the time frame to get some results. Here is the most
>> recent image that I could found (2009) :
>> http://earth.spotimage.com/url/getimage.php?CODEA21=51202860905200836422V
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jeff.
>>
>> 2011/1/30 nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> hey jeff
>>>
>>> can you have a quick pass at this, apparently those guys are struggling
>>> with your apps
>>> ciao
>>> Nico
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 5:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?
>>> To: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com>, hot <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> It may be that my searching skills aren't up to scratch, but for both
>>> sites I was returned a "no results found".
>>>
>>> Cheers, Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 January 2011 16:31, nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Joseph-
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for spotting Amman,
>>> > Great if someone can take a pass at the SpotImage catalog - app or
>>> > SpotImage
>>> > online catalogue and identify suitable scenes for us.
>>> >
>>> > Ciao
>>> > Nicolas
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with
>>> >> > Bing.
>>> >> >  Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities >throughout
>>> >> > Egypt
>>> >> > have great Bing imagery.
>>> >>
>>> >> The one exception within the area mentioned by Nicolas is Amman, which
>>> >> currently not covered by Bing imagery. This is probably not a priority
>>> >> at the moment, but could be potentially be an issue in the future.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers, Joseph
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 30 January 2011 14:51, Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:40 AM, nicolas chavent
>>> >> > <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi there-
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I found the below thread in Crisis Mappers about Egypt and Tunisia
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> mapping political crisis interesting.
>>> >> >> On our side, I think that the answer is just supporting the
>>> >> >> continuation
>>> >> >> of the OSM project in those territories with as always the question
>>> >> >> about
>>> >> >> the level of resources we can invest in this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It would be a shame if we didn't devote significant effort to
>>> >> > improving
>>> >> > OSM
>>> >> > coverage, given the outstanding Bing imagery.  Let's support our OSM
>>> >> > mappers
>>> >> > there. (and hope they are safe!)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Most of the reported actions happening in the heart of the major
>>> >> >> cities
>>> >> >> this can lead to improving the mapping of those cities.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cairo is already mapped quite good.  The slum areas not as well, but
>>> >> > Midan
>>> >> > Tahrir is good... good enough and really can only be improved with
>>> >> > on
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > ground mapping. (POIs, etc.)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It's unlikely that our classic outreach actions towards vector data
>>> >> >> will
>>> >> >> be successful to bring in good open vector data, perhaps we can get
>>> >> >> more
>>> >> >> luck with Spot on imagery if yahoo and bing can be complemented.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with
>>> >> > Bing.
>>> >> > Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities throughout
>>> >> > Egypt
>>> >> > have great Bing imagery.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Katie
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Any thoughts?
>>> >> >> Ciao
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Nicolas
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >> >> From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
>>> >> >> Date: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:31 PM
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?
>>> >> >> To: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi there-
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks for those who initiated and contributed to this thread which
>>> >> >> brings
>>> >> >> in the front the key questions that CM as a community has to
>>> >> >> consider
>>> >> >> when
>>> >> >> it comes to mapping conflicts or complex emergencies.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The below are some thoughts inspired by the situation in Tunisia
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> Egypt, I am speaking here only on my name and the below positions
>>> >> >> are
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> the one of HOT.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Tunisia, Egypt and Jordan call for maps by the CM network and I see
>>> >> >> no
>>> >> >> reason why this call shall not be answered. Conflicts or complex
>>> >> >> emergencies
>>> >> >> are in the scope of CM and all the points developed in the above
>>> >> >> thread
>>> >> >> apply to mapping happening in such a context and as such applies
>>> >> >> also
>>> >> >> for
>>> >> >> mapping in Pakistan or the the on-going mapping ongoing now in
>>> >> >> South
>>> >> >> Sudan.
>>> >> >> None of those points were raised in those 2 crisis. By mapping
>>> >> >> Flooding
>>> >> >> in
>>> >> >> Pakistan opens for the same question raised for Tunisia and Egypt,
>>> >> >> Pakistan
>>> >> >> being a complex emergency. The same applies for South Sudan. No
>>> >> >> questions
>>> >> >> raised and on our side an interestting mapping work done or in the
>>> >> >> making.
>>> >> >> Why acting differently in Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan or other countries
>>> >> >> from the
>>> >> >> Magrheb/ Mashrek?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Generally,in front of a conflict, CM is expected or has to create
>>> >> >> open
>>> >> >> baseline maps (transportation, hydro, boundary), open humanitarian
>>> >> >> baseline
>>> >> >> maps (warehouses, camps, bladder, mobile clinics) and maps of fluid
>>> >> >> situational facts (violence incidents, road blocks, protests,
>>> >> >> events
>>> >> >> ...).
>>> >> >> Classic mapping techniques and crowd sourced approaches will be
>>> >> >> mobilized
>>> >> >> within our network under openness as our operational paradigm: the
>>> >> >> crisis
>>> >> >> will be mapped by the crowd for the crowd, the crowd being any
>>> >> >> individual or
>>> >> >> group interested/ and or active for the territory struck by the
>>> >> >> crisis,
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> mapping will happen as the result of coordinated or uncoordinated
>>> >> >> actions by
>>> >> >> remote and on-site entities. OSM and ushaidi furnishing 2 paradigms
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> baseline and situational mapping by the crowd. The resulting maps
>>> >> >> are
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> going to be perfect, depicting accurately, timely and in a an
>>> >> >> "objective"
>>> >> >> fashion the reality of the crisis. We know from the experience that
>>> >> >> with the
>>> >> >> time and with participation, those maps will be portray ok the
>>> >> >> reality
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> will be usable assets for those on the ground or afar who are
>>> >> >> working
>>> >> >> on the
>>> >> >> territories hit by the crisis.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Sure mapping political crisis is a complex task (just think about
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> enormous academic literature on this subject by academics and
>>> >> >> practitioners)
>>> >> >> with implications, "no undo buttons", where mapping enters into
>>> >> >> politics.
>>> >> >> This did not prevent us from mapping in territories hit by
>>> >> >> conflicts or
>>> >> >> conflict prone (Pakistan and South Sudan). Are we going to have a
>>> >> >> different
>>> >> >> stand on Tunisia and Egypt and wait for digesting this complex and
>>> >> >> literature? The value of CM lies in its mix of people belonging to
>>> >> >> all
>>> >> >> those
>>> >> >> realms (academics, practitioners, social media activists, software
>>> >> >> developers etc etc ), an empiricist approach when it comes to
>>> >> >> learning,
>>> >> >> did
>>> >> >> not we learn from doing over the past years in the many crisis
>>> >> >> iterations?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> My point here is that T, E and any country affected by a crisis
>>> >> >> deserves
>>> >> >> action on our end, that we will not start from nothing in terms of
>>> >> >> awareness
>>> >> >> about what mapping a crisis implies and that we will keep learning
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> contributing hopefully in a significant manner to the literature
>>> >> >> academic
>>> >> >> and operational about conflict/ complex emergency mapping by being
>>> >> >> active in
>>> >> >> this field.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The questions ahead of us are more on how CM can respond this call
>>> >> >> given
>>> >> >> that there are for each crisis tech issues and procedures issues
>>> >> >> for
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> and that resources are not infinite.
>>> >> >> Is it an objective for this group to ensure at the occurrence of
>>> >> >> each
>>> >> >> crisis the infrastructure for this mapping (baseline maps and
>>> >> >> situational
>>> >> >> facts) to happen with a first remote activation that can be then
>>> >> >> handed
>>> >> >> over
>>> >> >> on the ground to individuals and groups active throughout the
>>> >> >> crisis
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> willing to maintain it the way that both OSM and USHAIDI (in a more
>>> >> >> easy
>>> >> >> context) acted in Haiti with a hand over to C-OSM.HA (Communaute
>>> >> >> OpenStreetMap Haiti) and Noula.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> This being said, like some intervening in the thread, I have almost
>>> >> >> no
>>> >> >> time to devote to Tunisia and Egypt, but most happy to support even
>>> >> >> minmially those who would stand up and strengthen the existing
>>> >> >> crowd
>>> >> >> map
>>> >> >> efforts mentioned in the thread.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'd be also very interested in hearing about a crowd sourced
>>> >> >> mapping
>>> >> >> project to keep track of the political violences in Ivory Coast
>>> >> >> which
>>> >> >> is
>>> >> >> made necessary by the level of tensions on the ground and the real
>>> >> >> risk
>>> >> >> of a
>>> >> >> large scale political regional crisis.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I look forward to the continuation of this thread and to any
>>> >> >> answers or
>>> >> >> pointers on Ivory Coast
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks and best
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Nicolas
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Leesa Astredo
>>> >> >> <leesaastredo at gmail.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I feel that as a global community, it is imperative that we get
>>> >> >>> "involved" in all issues of the world. Isn't that why we all are
>>> >> >>> here?
>>> >> >>> To
>>> >> >>> inform the world? Good, Bad or indifferent. Our "clients" are
>>> >> >>> global.
>>> >> >>> If it
>>> >> >>> affects them, it should be addressed by us. IMHO. @viequesbound
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, John Crowley
>>> >> >>> <bostoncello at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> This comment brings up a very good question for the community:
>>> >> >>>> when
>>> >> >>>> getting "involved" with conflicts and political movements, what
>>> >> >>>> is
>>> >> >>>> our
>>> >> >>>> stance on neutrality? Does CM get involved in supporting the
>>> >> >>>> efforts
>>> >> >>>> of a
>>> >> >>>> particular side? If so, what effects will such advocacy--or
>>> >> >>>> perception of
>>> >> >>>> advocacy--have on future efforts on our work in hard places?
>>> >> >>>> These are hard questions to be contemplated carefully.
>>> >> >>>> John
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, omDesign <omdesign.is at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> I think it's well within the mandate of Crisis mappers and the
>>> >> >>>>> SBTF
>>> >> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>>> get more involved with the Egyptian and Tunisian upheaval.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> I have seen the http://25jan.crowdmap.com/ Jan 25 crowdmap but
>>> >> >>>>> with
>>> >> >>>>> democracy on the line and likelihood of violence the need and
>>> >> >>>>> rationale
>>> >> >>>>> exists for translation/coordination/ and people first support
>>> >> >>>>> measures.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Om
>>> >> >>>>>
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>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> --
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>>> >> >>>> John Crowley
>>> >> >>>> Harvard Humanitarian Initiative &
>>> >> >>>> National Defense University/Center for Tech and National Security
>>> >> >>>> Policy
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>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> --
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>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
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>>> >> >>> http://gulfoilspill.blogspot.com/
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://hurricane-2010.blogspot.com/
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://viequesbound4haiti.blogspot.com
>>> >> >>> http://severeweatherinformation.blogspot.com
>>> >> >>>
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