[HOT] FW: Message OSM + points villages MSF

Andrew Buck andrew.r.buck at gmail.com
Sat Apr 19 13:05:05 UTC 2014


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Ok, so the "Center" actually does have a meaning then and should stay
as part of the name in the database.  We may want to tag these towns
with an additional tag and then maybe possibly remove the 'Center'
from the actual name since there would be another way to distinguish
these.  Are these actually the seat of government for the
sub-prefectures?  If so, should we tag them as such and possibly
remove the 'center' part of the name?

- -AndrewBuck


On 04/19/2014 05:18 AM, Sylvie De Laborderie wrote:
> In most of the cases if a name contains "Center" is that it is
> Temessadou Centre in Temessadou sub-prefecture , as opposed to
> other villages in the same prefecture is calling also Temessadou. 
> Centre or Center : main city
> 
> Hope it helps.
> 
> 
> Sylvie de LaborderieGIS OfficerCartONG+33 7 87 05 43 92+33 4 79 26
> 28 82www.cartong.org
> 
>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:10:46 -0500 From:
>> andrew.r.buck at gmail.com To: hot at openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:
>> [HOT] FW: Message OSM + points villages MSF
>> 
> Ok, I have finished merging in the names from the shapefile you
> sent me.  The changeset for the merge is listed below.  I added 
> source=MSF-CH to both the changeset and the nodes themselves (maybe
> a bit redundant but that was what I did).  The changeset consisted
> of 193 new place names to add, 176 existing nodes that are either
> moved to a new position or had their tags changed or both (and 4
> nodes I deleted, 2 were correct 2 need to be undeleted as I seem to
> have accidentally deleted them somehow).  Thanks to Paul Norman and
> Jaakkoh for helping me with the undelet work.
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/21788686
> 
> In total there were 358 objects in the shapefile you sent me.  I 
> manually checked each one and for any that had nothing at all in
> OSM already I just dumped them straight in.  For the ones that
> already had a name in OSM spelled identically I just merged the
> nodes so that the position is taken from the MSF node and any old
> tags like alt_name or the GNS unique feature ID get copied over
> (this lets you cross reference your own database against the GNS
> database if you want).
> 
> There were about 100 or so towns which had entries already in OSM
> with slightly different spellings, in these cases I just merged the
> nodes and switched the OSM spelling to alt_name and used your names
> for the name=* field (except for a few cases where the accenting
> was better on the OSM version so I kept that in name and added
> yours as an alt_name).
> 
> There were about 10 or so places where OSM already had a town name
> but that name was very different from the MSF name.  In these cases
> I kept both nodes and added a 'fixme' and 'note' tag to explain
> the situation.  Those towns can be found in the query below.  It
> would be good if someone from MSF could have a look through these
> and see if they can fix any of them.  The query below will pull in
> all of these nodes plus all place nodes within 500 meters of them
> so you can see the towns that were already in OSM that got me
> confused.  If you click the 'export' button at teh top you can load
> the data from this overpass query directly into josm through the
> remote control by clicking the 'josm' link on the export window
> that pops up.
> 
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/36P
> 
> The only question I had was regarding some of the names you
> provided. About 10 or so had a town name followed by the word
> 'Center' or 'Centre'.  I am wondering if this 'Center' should be
> deleted from the name or left as it is.  You can see an overpass
> query of these nodes at the link below if you want to see the
> actual names.
> 
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/36R
> 
> So aside from that no major problems.  If you want to see all the 
> names that have been added from MSF (both in this block and the
> first ones you gave us for Guekedou) you can see them at the
> following query:
> 
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/36S
> 
> Thanks for all of this data, it is really interesting to get
> results like this back from the field.  Not only are your town
> names now merged into a much larger database allowing your teams to
> more accurately find place names by searching, but they also help
> us find mistakes in our own data (there were a couple I found that
> the topo maps had wrong, or that we had wrongly located), and we
> also get alternate spellings on a lot of places to which makes you
> more likely to find a place when you search for it in OSM.
> 
> -AndrewBuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/18/2014 12:42 PM, nicolas chavent wrote:
>>>> *Version française infra*
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks CartONG, Sylvie and JG for your appreciation of the
>>>> HOT/OSM community support to the response to the ebola
>>>> outbreak in Guinea and surrounding countries by MSF CH,
>>>> IFRC/ARC and through them WHO, Government and NGOs. I am
>>>> translating this email in French; the actions required to
>>>> make the best use of the field-sruveyed 350 features MSF-CH
>>>> localities database shared with OSM are being looked at by
>>>> some of OSM/HOT coordinators.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Merci CartONG, Sylvie et JG pour votre appréciation positive
>>>> de la réponse des communautés OSM et HOT en soutien à la
>>>> réponse à l'épidémie d'Ebola en Guinée Conakry et dans les
>>>> pays limitrophes par MSF CH, ICFRC/ARC et à travers eux
>>>> l'OMS, les structures gouvernementales et ONGs. Ci-dessous,
>>>> une traduction libre/rapide de votre courriel. Certains des
>>>> coordinateurs OSM/HOT examinent le jeu de données terrain de
>>>> 350 localités collectées par MSF CH et partagées avec OSM
>>>> pour en faire le meilleur usage possible.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Aux équipes/ communautés OSM et HOT,
>>>> 
>>>> Avant toute chose et une fois de plus, nous voudrions vous 
>>>> transmettre nos vifs remerciements à chaque individu actif
>>>> dans cette réponse de crise. Votre travail est un don pour
>>>> celles et ceux engagés dans la réponse sur le terrain. Votre
>>>> cartographie à l'échelle du bâti sur de si larges théâtres
>>>> d'opération est une aide immense et précieuse pour nos
>>>> équipes mobiles, ainsi que pour les nombreux internationaux
>>>> récemment arrivés et nécessitant un briefing sur la dynamique
>>>> notamment spatiale de l'épidémie. Identifier, localiser et
>>>> accéder à des lieux de peuplement reculés est très souvent
>>>> une course contre le temps dès lors que quelques heures
>>>> peuvent faire la différence et pour les patients, et pour 
>>>> arriver à temps de façon à prévenir de nouvelles
>>>> contaminations et d'enrayer ainsi la propagation de
>>>> l'épidémie. L'utilisation conjointe des savoirs de terrain
>>>> mobilisables et des cartes OSM ou produites à partir de
>>>> données OSM nous a permis de gagner en efficacité,
>>>> d'améliorer par des gains de temps l'élasticité de notre
>>>> réponse.
>>>> 
>>>> A propos des noms de lieux de peuplement, nous avons été
>>>> acapable de constituer à partir de données terrains
>>>> collectées au GPS une base de données consolidée de qualité
>>>> portant sur les noms des localités (lieux de peupelement) des
>>>> sous-préfectures de Gueckedou-Centre, Temessadou-Dibo, and
>>>> Guedembou. Nous pensons que cela pourrait être un apport
>>>> intéressant pour le projet OSM. ce serait notre contribution
>>>> en support (à notre tour) pour votre remarquable et étonnant
>>>> travail. Ces données peuvent être librement partagées dans la
>>>> mesure où elles demeurrent attribuées à MSF-CH. Il se peut
>>>> qu'il y ait encore des modifications mineures à y apporter,
>>>> notamment dans les endroits les plus reculés et 
>>>> inaccessibles, mais toutes ces localités ont été relevés au
>>>> GPS et la toponymie confirmée par certains de leurs
>>>> habitants.
>>>> 
>>>> En espérant que cela vous soit d'intérêt. Une fois de plus :
>>>> merci !
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Sylvie De Laborderie < 
>>>> s_delaborderie at cartong.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Please kindly find feedback from the MSF GIS off. from the 
>>>>> field.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To all OSM-Hot teams, First of all and once again, we would
>>>>> like to send a big THANK YOU to every single one of you.
>>>>> Your work is a gift to us all in the field. Building-scale
>>>>> mapping for such an area is a huge help for our outreach
>>>>> teams, and for many expats newly arrived and needing a
>>>>> briefing on how the outbreak is evolving. Finding remote
>>>>> localities and access to them is often a race against time
>>>>> as a few hours can make a serious difference, not only for
>>>>> patients, but also to arrive in time to prevent new 
>>>>> contacts to happen and keep the outbreak from spreading
>>>>> further. Cross-checking between local knowledge and OSM
>>>>> maps allows us to work much faster Regarding locality
>>>>> names, we were able to acquire through various field trip
>>>>> with GPS devices a confirmed database of localities
>>>>> covering the sub-prefectures of Gueckedou-Centre,
>>>>> Temessadou-Dibo, and Guedembou. Thought this might be a
>>>>> nice input for you guys, to come as support to your amazing
>>>>> work. This data can be freely shared as long as credited to
>>>>> MSF-CH. There might be still some minor
>>>>> confirmations/changes to make, especially in
>>>>> remote/inaccessible areas, but these places have been taken
>>>>> directly by GPS on the field, and confirmed with local
>>>>> inhabitants. Hope this helps. One more time: thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> JG
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
> 
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