[HOT] Launching the hot mailing list in French

Severin Menard severin.menard at gmail.com
Thu Jul 10 13:26:34 UTC 2014

Hi Heather,

I am a bit surprised by your reaction, it seems you do not know well how
the OSM lists work. Any group can ask OSMF (Mike Collinson is in charge of
this) to create one, about a specific topic and/or a specific location.
Here is the whole list of OSM talk lists:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ for you to figure out.

As you can see, there are very specific lists like eg Talk-gb-oxoncotswolds
for Oxford, Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds in GB or Talk-it-trentino for the
Trentino in Italy. These lists have been created by locals or people
specifically interested in these regions; creating it does not require the
permission of an "upper list" that would be the country one or the general
talk list (without suffix). Regarding your background, you could eg create
an OSM-Ushahidi list to discuss about the interactions between OSM and
Ushahidi (and this would not be a bad idea at all), knowing that many
people would join.

Are you really suggesting setting a public, open OSM list allowing a
potential +200 million people to raise their voices on humanitarian and
development topics should have been decided by a board or people outside
them? Or that we should make a general survey (in English) to state if
Spanish, French, Portuguese or Swahili speakers will be allowed or not to
have a list in their language? This does not fit with OSM. This hot list in
French is actually something that is in the minds and wished for years.

Otherwise I do take care about communicating about this when it starts,
this is the aim of my message, so that this larger (I mean larger because
many could not participate before in hot discussions and now will join)
community (and not separated communities) can collaborate efficiently.

Hope these points are more clear for you.



On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Heather Leson <heather.leson at hotosm.org>

> Sev, it would have been great to talk in person before setting up a
> separate HOT list and community process.
> For example, this was already a topic for the upcoming Board meeting and
> definitely something we want to do right by really consulting with the HOT
> community.
> While I appreciate your initiative, collaboration and community means
> communicating.
> I'll be following up on this in the coming month.
> Thank you
> Heather
> On Jul 10, 2014 7:33 AM, "Severin Menard" <severin.menard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> There is a openstreetmap.org hot list now for French speaking people who
>> do not have enough English to participate to the hot (English) list, and
>> they are numerous not only in France (I think well-known to be one of the
>> worst English speaking countries :) but also in Africa and in the
>> Caribbeans. This would allow people from various OSM communities especially
>> in developing countries, to raise their voices and interact more (or
>> quicker, because basically writing in foreign language takes more time)
>> with the HOT/OSM community regarding the humanitarian and development
>> topics. So far, when we wanted to interact on these topics in French, we
>> had to make emails with a long list of talk-country lists, which is not
>> really appropriate as it duplicates the same messages in various talk
>> lists.
>> This already exists for the dev lists: dev is in English by default, and
>> there is a French and an Italian one. As I guess (I did not check) they do,
>> there will be interactions between the lists when it seems useful after a
>> brainstorm, around an action, a methodology or a new "discovery"; the
>> people that can interact in the two languages can bridge the lists. If
>> someone has experience on this, please tell.
>> I would suggest the Spanish native speakers from the HOT community to
>> create also a list as the community of native Spanish speakers in the world
>> is twice more numerous than French. It would help during crisis like the
>> ones in Bolivia or in Chile last year.
>> For the suffix, a quick survey showed that a huge majority preferred
>> hot-francophone rather than hot-fr or hot-francais, basically because it
>> states clearly it is about the language and not the country of origin, and
>> this does count, especially for the people from former French colonies.
>> For those interested, you can subscribe here:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot-francophone
>> I translated the description from English, just added a bit at the end
>> because the English text only talks about crisis response, and does not
>> mention development, what should be rectified. The translation in English
>> would be: "Apart from crisis response, the list helps HOT to prepare
>> resources and improve its response, but also to discuss and set an OSM map
>> for development. For this as well, stakeholders and population can send
>> messages on the list (questions, opinions, requests, discussions...)".
>> Sincerely,
>> Severin
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