[HOT] Launching the hot mailing list in French
heather.leson at hotosm.org
Fri Jul 11 01:20:17 UTC 2014
HI Sev and fellow Hotties,
My note stated that changes to communities should be discussed with
everyone. We all want HOT to do meaningful work. As such, I care to see
localization and language specific HOT be implemented well. Truly, my note
stems from experience with software change management and building
localization projects on a global scale. This means having workflow maps
for how each of the various parts communicate. Thus, my note requesting to
see a communicative and collaborative effort.
Like Rafael, I see this as natural, but it is my understanding that major
changes require us to talk frankly with each other. I see our
responsibility as Board Members to be strategic by planning to help the
community grow effectively.
And, again, I do know that we will figure this out and look forward to our
upcoming time together.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
> Hi Heather,
> I am a bit surprised by your reaction, it seems you do not know well how
> the OSM lists work. Any group can ask OSMF (Mike Collinson is in charge of
> this) to create one, about a specific topic and/or a specific location.
> Here is the whole list of OSM talk lists:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ for you to figure out.
> As you can see, there are very specific lists like eg
> Talk-gb-oxoncotswolds for Oxford, Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds in GB or
> Talk-it-trentino for the Trentino in Italy. These lists have been created
> by locals or people specifically interested in these regions; creating it
> does not require the permission of an "upper list" that would be the
> country one or the general talk list (without suffix). Regarding your
> background, you could eg create an OSM-Ushahidi list to discuss about the
> interactions between OSM and Ushahidi (and this would not be a bad idea at
> all), knowing that many people would join.
> Are you really suggesting setting a public, open OSM list allowing a
> potential +200 million people to raise their voices on humanitarian and
> development topics should have been decided by a board or people outside
> them? Or that we should make a general survey (in English) to state if
> Spanish, French, Portuguese or Swahili speakers will be allowed or not to
> have a list in their language? This does not fit with OSM. This hot list in
> French is actually something that is in the minds and wished for years.
> Otherwise I do take care about communicating about this when it starts,
> this is the aim of my message, so that this larger (I mean larger because
> many could not participate before in hot discussions and now will join)
> community (and not separated communities) can collaborate efficiently.
> Hope these points are more clear for you.
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Heather Leson <heather.leson at hotosm.org>
>> Sev, it would have been great to talk in person before setting up a
>> separate HOT list and community process.
>> For example, this was already a topic for the upcoming Board meeting and
>> definitely something we want to do right by really consulting with the HOT
>> While I appreciate your initiative, collaboration and community means
>> I'll be following up on this in the coming month.
>> Thank you
>> On Jul 10, 2014 7:33 AM, "Severin Menard" <severin.menard at gmail.com>
>>> There is a openstreetmap.org hot list now for French speaking people
>>> who do not have enough English to participate to the hot (English) list,
>>> and they are numerous not only in France (I think well-known to be one of
>>> the worst English speaking countries :) but also in Africa and in the
>>> Caribbeans. This would allow people from various OSM communities especially
>>> in developing countries, to raise their voices and interact more (or
>>> quicker, because basically writing in foreign language takes more time)
>>> with the HOT/OSM community regarding the humanitarian and development
>>> topics. So far, when we wanted to interact on these topics in French, we
>>> had to make emails with a long list of talk-country lists, which is not
>>> really appropriate as it duplicates the same messages in various talk
>>> This already exists for the dev lists: dev is in English by default, and
>>> there is a French and an Italian one. As I guess (I did not check) they do,
>>> there will be interactions between the lists when it seems useful after a
>>> brainstorm, around an action, a methodology or a new "discovery"; the
>>> people that can interact in the two languages can bridge the lists. If
>>> someone has experience on this, please tell.
>>> I would suggest the Spanish native speakers from the HOT community to
>>> create also a list as the community of native Spanish speakers in the world
>>> is twice more numerous than French. It would help during crisis like the
>>> ones in Bolivia or in Chile last year.
>>> For the suffix, a quick survey showed that a huge majority preferred
>>> hot-francophone rather than hot-fr or hot-francais, basically because it
>>> states clearly it is about the language and not the country of origin, and
>>> this does count, especially for the people from former French colonies.
>>> For those interested, you can subscribe here:
>>> I translated the description from English, just added a bit at the end
>>> because the English text only talks about crisis response, and does not
>>> mention development, what should be rectified. The translation in English
>>> would be: "Apart from crisis response, the list helps HOT to prepare
>>> resources and improve its response, but also to discuss and set an OSM map
>>> for development. For this as well, stakeholders and population can send
>>> messages on the list (questions, opinions, requests, discussions...)".
>>> HOT mailing list
>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org
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