[HOT] Validating & TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers

Mark Cupitt markcupitt at gmail.com
Mon Sep 1 00:46:26 UTC 2014

Hi all, I have been a bit quiet, just coming back on line after one month
recovering form a Motor Bike Crash. Seems I am not as invincible as I
thought :)

Nick +1 for your comments, I totally agree. I also think and Opt In or Opt
Out Check Box "Please send me comments" on the Task for each User, or On
the Users Profile for all Tasks would be of a lot of use. Some users may
want feedback whilst some may not. The Validator then knows he is welcome
to provide feedback, tips and tricks which is a fantastic way of sharing
knowledge. To help police inappropriate Validation Comments, a "Report This
Validation Message" Button could be to be sent to someone in HOT to review
so that the system is not abused, as pretty much anyone could can be a

Feedback from Validators provides a fantastic opportunity to learn,
especially for new users and the dialog that is created can only be of huge
benefit to those people who want it. When I started, I certainly would have
asked for feedback. Andrew B gave me a huge amount of help via mumble on
all sorts of tips and tricks .. and helped bring me closer to the HOT
Community in a lot of ways .





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On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Nick Allen <nick.allen.54 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi,
> On the subject of validation.
> As someone who now spends most of their mapping time validating, I think
> we 'sell' it the wrong way. I only use the validation button in JOSM now if
> I think I am going to find something, and generally use the HOT-Validate
> paint Style (Well worth trying if you're a JOSM user, even if you don't
> validate). But I think even that is too much of a requirement. I have seen
> some excellent mapping by iD & Potlatch users & I would like to see some of
> them carrying out validating - if they are capable of mapping to such a
> high standard then they are perfectly capable of zooming in to look at
> others work & saying 'yes', 'yes but', or 'no'. I rarely use the 'no'
> option and to be honest it could just as easily be an experienced mapper
> because it generally means there is a significant portion of the square not
> mapped (I like to think the imagery didn't load properly & that was why
> they missed the village entirely!)
> Mapping =
> I'd like to see us rewrite the manuals, wiki's, slideshows etc., so they
> show mapping for HOT needs roads connected, traced at a suitable scale &
> classed more or less correctly (I don't think we should get too hung up
> about this - its often only when you are looking at an area of several
> squares in size that you can work out which are the primary, secondary,
> tertiary etc - get it traced, tag what it looks like & make sure that
> someone with an overview alters the tags later if need be). Buildings
> square or round and as accurate as they can be within reason. Rivers
> traced. leisure= common & amenity=school where appropriate - anything else
> specific to the project.
> Validating=
> Make sure that Mapping = was done ok.
> It would be good to offer variety to our mappers & validating, if sold
> correctly, is not difficult & can be very rewarding. 99% of the time I'm
> making comments like 'All looks good, thanks'. Occasionally it's something
> like 'Looks good, but can you join the roads to each other & not the
> landuse=residential boundary. I've sorted it this time', I worried for a
> while about sending messages to mappers about ways they could improve, but
> the feedback I've had from those concerned has been good, and I make sure I
> only send a message if it's obvious the person is making the same mistake
> consistently - a point in case being round huts which are not obvious
> unless someone points them out. (wiki entry about validating
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data if
> I've interested you).
> I'd still like a tick box in the TM so that when I want to send my
> comments to the mapper, I can easily do so. But I don't think that is as
> important as allowing mappers easier access to the validators comments.
> Just a few thoughts -  by the way, I'd welcome help from anyone who
> fancies doing more validating! If you'd like it, I'm quite happy to
> validate your validations until you feel more confident.
> --
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