[HOT] Validating & TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers

maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com
Mon Sep 1 02:09:26 UTC 2014

There was a discussion several months ago proposing irc like client for
each job.  I think embedding synchronous communication for each job is a
good approach to providing real-time feedback to those working on a
specific project/job.

For some prior art, check out MapCraft [0].  Related tickets [1 and 2]

[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapCraft
[1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager/issues/148
[2] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager/issues/40

On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all, I have been a bit quiet, just coming back on line after one month
> recovering form a Motor Bike Crash. Seems I am not as invincible as I
> thought :)
> Nick +1 for your comments, I totally agree. I also think and Opt In or Opt
> Out Check Box "Please send me comments" on the Task for each User, or On
> the Users Profile for all Tasks would be of a lot of use. Some users may
> want feedback whilst some may not. The Validator then knows he is welcome
> to provide feedback, tips and tricks which is a fantastic way of sharing
> knowledge. To help police inappropriate Validation Comments, a "Report This
> Validation Message" Button could be to be sent to someone in HOT to review
> so that the system is not abused, as pretty much anyone could can be a
> Validator.
> Feedback from Validators provides a fantastic opportunity to learn,
> especially for new users and the dialog that is created can only be of huge
> benefit to those people who want it. When I started, I certainly would have
> asked for feedback. Andrew B gave me a huge amount of help via mumble on
> all sorts of tips and tricks .. and helped bring me closer to the HOT
> Community in a lot of ways .
> Cheers
> Mark
> Cheers
> Mark
> Regards
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> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Nick Allen <nick.allen.54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>  Hi,
>> On the subject of validation.
>> As someone who now spends most of their mapping time validating, I think
>> we 'sell' it the wrong way. I only use the validation button in JOSM now if
>> I think I am going to find something, and generally use the HOT-Validate
>> paint Style (Well worth trying if you're a JOSM user, even if you don't
>> validate). But I think even that is too much of a requirement. I have seen
>> some excellent mapping by iD & Potlatch users & I would like to see some of
>> them carrying out validating - if they are capable of mapping to such a
>> high standard then they are perfectly capable of zooming in to look at
>> others work & saying 'yes', 'yes but', or 'no'. I rarely use the 'no'
>> option and to be honest it could just as easily be an experienced mapper
>> because it generally means there is a significant portion of the square not
>> mapped (I like to think the imagery didn't load properly & that was why
>> they missed the village entirely!)
>> Mapping =
>> I'd like to see us rewrite the manuals, wiki's, slideshows etc., so they
>> show mapping for HOT needs roads connected, traced at a suitable scale &
>> classed more or less correctly (I don't think we should get too hung up
>> about this - its often only when you are looking at an area of several
>> squares in size that you can work out which are the primary, secondary,
>> tertiary etc - get it traced, tag what it looks like & make sure that
>> someone with an overview alters the tags later if need be). Buildings
>> square or round and as accurate as they can be within reason. Rivers
>> traced. leisure= common & amenity=school where appropriate - anything else
>> specific to the project.
>> Validating=
>> Make sure that Mapping = was done ok.
>> It would be good to offer variety to our mappers & validating, if sold
>> correctly, is not difficult & can be very rewarding. 99% of the time I'm
>> making comments like 'All looks good, thanks'. Occasionally it's something
>> like 'Looks good, but can you join the roads to each other & not the
>> landuse=residential boundary. I've sorted it this time', I worried for a
>> while about sending messages to mappers about ways they could improve, but
>> the feedback I've had from those concerned has been good, and I make sure I
>> only send a message if it's obvious the person is making the same mistake
>> consistently - a point in case being round huts which are not obvious
>> unless someone points them out. (wiki entry about validating
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>> if I've interested you).
>> I'd still like a tick box in the TM so that when I want to send my
>> comments to the mapper, I can easily do so. But I don't think that is as
>> important as allowing mappers easier access to the validators comments.
>> Just a few thoughts -  by the way, I'd welcome help from anyone who
>> fancies doing more validating! If you'd like it, I'm quite happy to
>> validate your validations until you feel more confident.
>> --
>> Nick
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