[HOT] TomNod integration for the next time around

William Morris wboykinm at geosprocket.com
Wed Apr 29 23:21:34 UTC 2015


Thanks for the confirmation, Kevin. Can you point us toward any information
about theTomnod validation process, and the pipeline for the data once it's
validated?

-B

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015, 5:24 PM Kevin Bullock <kbullock at digitalglobe.com>
wrote:

>  Pierre, Bill, I can confirm the imagery source is the same. Meaning, the
> imagery we licensed openly was used both by HOT (via Mapbox) and on the
> Tomnod platform. I am actually putting a blog post together on this topic,
> and this thread has been **very insightful**. Barrier of entry is indeed
> one of the huge differentiators! As an example, my kids can participate on
> Tomnod, but need another decade or so before they can contribute to OSM J.
> As such, we are seeing (I believe) a higher volume of contributors via
> Tomnod: over 25,000 unique contributors so far.
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> So far, here is what the Tomnod team has validated, AND, here is a link to
> the GeoJSON:
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> 488 Damaged Buildings Verified, 36 Damaged Roads Verified
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> Download the Validated geojson:
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/tomnod-james/nepal_earthquake_2015_15448_validated.geojson.json.zip
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> Sincerely, Kevin
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> *From:* William Morris [mailto:wboykinm at geosprocket.com
> <wboykinm at geosprocket.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:26 PM
> *To:* Pierre Béland; hot at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] TomNod integration for the next time around
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> Hi Pierre,
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> I think we're already using the same imagery; it's entirely from
> DigitalGlobe, and the Mapbox crew processed that and made it available to
> us within hours of it being released (Camilla or Charlie - correct me if
> I'm wrong). The issue is that participants (~5,000 people this time) in
> DigitalGlobe's Tomnod project are deriving basic damage assessment data
> from the same imagery, and that information isn't making it to OSM.
>
> The two ideas I outlined below are just sketches for how we could make use
> of that derived data to save time and effort, though there are surely many
> more possibilities.
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> -Bill
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> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:36 PM Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Sorry after 5 non stop days dont have time to digest everything.
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> We surely have to coordinate with others and not repeat what they have
> done. This imagery would be useful for OSM response to have general
> evaluations of villages + roads. We can also provide access to TMS images
> to hums and Nepal gov.
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> Monitoring is uneasy with all the imagery requests, imagery available from
> various sources.
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> It would help that the image monitoring uMap be completed with all the
> tasks and available imageries.
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> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/2015-nepal-earthquake-contributions-via-the-task-m_37675#8/27.946/85.518
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> Do we have easy access to these imagery used for evaluation. Do we have
> tms link to easily use. Could the info be added to the uMap?
>
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> regard
>
>
>   *Pierre *
>
>
>    ------------------------------
>
> *De :* William Morris <wboykinm at geosprocket.com>
> *À :* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>;
> robert.soden at gmail.com
> *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 29 avril 2015 13h05
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] TomNod integration for the next time around
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> My bad - Robert pointed out that I pasted the wrong source data link in
> there (it was for TomNod Haiyan). Here's the Nepal data:
> https://t.co/zzSX2qrelM
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> -Bill
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> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM William Morris <wboykinm at geosprocket.com>
> wrote:
>
> Kevin Bullock of DigitalGlobe has graciously shared the results of the
> TomNod effort so far, licensed CC 3.0 (with a plan to specifically permit
> OSM use):
>
> - map:
> https://geosprocket.cartodb.com/viz/bb5ed630-ee1e-11e4-8dca-0e018d66dc29/embed_map
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> - data: http://mapperdev.tomnod.com/results/
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> It seems like there might be an opportunity in future activations (or now)
> to use this data for:
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> 1.) Planning and prioritization - as we move into damage assessment we're
> probably going to be a step behind the TomNod participants; we should be
> able to configure tasks that focus on areas with a high concentration of
> damage reports and high levels of agreement. (I can't claim origination of
> this idea: https://twitter.com/iheartcrowds/status/593170666662146048)
>
> 2.) Direct import - this is more dangerous, but there's an opportunity to
> directly link TomNod contributions to OSM. High-agreement damaged buildings
> seems like a possible starting place.
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>
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> There are many technical considerations to be ironed out, including the
> realtime nature of the TomNod data. It could benefit from a streaming API
> of some sort, as well as some form of integration in the task manager. In
> the meantime there's this somewhat-awkward url for overlays:
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> https://cartocdn-ashbu.global.ssl.fastly.net/geosprocket/api/v1/map/9ec70f30baf2a63e797ae341c8965733:1430273972053.4001/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png?map_key=dca6cb71991448200cc2ade26ff013da486a78ca&cache_policy=persist
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> Hopefully this is an opportunity to minimize effort duplication and
> leverage another motivated group of contributors.
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> -Bill Morris
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