[HOT] FW: Validation

Suzan Reed suzan at suzanreed.com
Sat Aug 29 20:12:26 UTC 2015


Would 'start work' and 'stop work' be clear to all people?

Suzan
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On August 29, 2015 11:46:55 AM Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kivekas at guttula.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> There has been some related discussion in a github issue[1] about this
> last October.
>
> I rather like the "Stop working on task" alternative that is suggested
> instead of the "Unlock" button in that issue. Especially since currently
> the button to lock a task says "Start mapping". There is more obvious
> connection between start/stop than start/unlock.
>
> Checking in and checking out content is probably a strange concept to
> many. I don't think it's an improvement over locking and unlocking.
>
> "Submit for review" is a definitive improvement over "Mark as done". It
> should be implemented.
>
> I've played around a little and made the changes I like the best in a
> local copy of the tasking manager (screenshot in attachment). I'll
> implement the changes and make a pull request if we come to an agreement.
>
> -- jarmo
>
> [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401
>
> On 29.08.2015 05:22, Jim Smith wrote:
>> I like the idea of renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for 
>> review'. Little tweaks like that can bring clarity to those starting out. 
>> Also Suzan suggested that the “lock” “unlock” function be renamed to “Check 
>> out” and “check in". That would make a big difference as well.
>>
>> I don't want to be too overenthusiastic  but is there any reason not to 
>> make those two improvements? If no objection, can they be done soon?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Dittus [mailto:martin at dekstop.de]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 AM
>> To: David Toy <d at vidtoy.co.uk>
>> Cc: hot <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation
>>
>> As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m 
>> starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. 
>> Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions.
>>
>> In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an expert — 
>> it could be a comment from someone with similar experience levels. A second 
>> pair of eyes.
>>
>> An important part of this is being able to ask someone for a second 
>> opinion. At a mapathon that’s easy, but where do remote mappers go?
>>
>> m.
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:00, David Toy <d at vidtoy.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jarmo. Welcome!
>>>
>>> My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and I 
>>> can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that 
>>> there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar.
>>>
>>> Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit 
>>> for review'.
>>>
>>> A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me 
>>> initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review' 
>>> implies that:
>>> - a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch
>>> it, and
>>> - b) I should expect feedback
>>>
>>> This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens
>>> the blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four
>>> words of explanation. (Validators: that's not a criticism - I
>>> understand the time pressure.)
>>>
>>> Also, not all users will read the docs - while training resources are 
>>> useful, these little nudges of understanding help all users - even the new 
>>> ones who enthusiastically started but didn't read the instructions.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 24 August 2015 at 17:18, Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kivekas at guttula.com> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while, but I'm still
>>> fairly new to HOT. I though I'd pitch in.
>>>
>>> I definitely recognized myself from Martin's write up as belonging to
>>> the set of contributors who commit changes but don't mark tiles as done.
>>> Below are some reasons why I've not marked tiles as complete in the past.
>>>
>>> 1. I think part of the reason is that I started out mapping on my own
>>> (I haven't found a local community, nor was I introduced to mapping on
>>> a mapathon). Therefore I haven't been able to just quickly ask someone
>>> advice about something I'm unsure about. In these cases I've usually
>>> left a comment in the tasking manager about whatever I was unsure
>>> about, mapped the rest, but not marked the tile as done.
>>>
>>> Not marking the tile done is me being conservative, I guess. As a new
>>> mapper it is currently difficult to get feedback on the quality of
>>> your mapping, you pretty much needs to actively seek it out. Getting
>>> notifications when there are new comments on tiles you've worked on
>>> would be nice.
>>>
>>> 2. When parts of a region are already mapped (probably form before the
>>> activation was created) but the tiles that are already mapped are not
>>> marked as done. I'm reluctant to mark a grid as done without making
>>> any changes to it, even if it seemingly fills all the criterion for
>>> the task. Especially when the grid has been locked my multiple users
>>> in the past. "They didn't think it was as done, I'm probably missing
>>> something." I realize that this thinking only propagates the problem,
>>> since I'll just be one more user on the list.
>>>
>>> 3. Grids can be pretty large. Sometimes you just don't manage to map
>>> it completely in a short sitting. I know grids can be split, but...
>>>
>>> 4. Sometimes I'll for example only be mapping roads. Doing this will
>>> result in many tiles being checked out and changesets are generated,
>>> but no tiles are actually being finished.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Jarmo
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24.08.2015 16:37, Martin Dittus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger "I've done some 
>>>>> work but not completed the tile could someone review it please."  I'd 
>>>>> rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident 
>>>>> enough to mark a tile complete.
>>>>
>>>> Considering better workflows for “incomplete” submissions is well 
>>>> worthwhile. This week I found that about half of all HOT contributors never 
>>>> mark their first task as “done” although they contributed edits to the map.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve written it up here, with stats and a brief discussion:
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35649
>>>>
>>>> m.
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