[HOT] perso Re: limit validation to experienced users

Pierre Béland pierzenh at yahoo.fr
Fri May 1 20:35:16 UTC 2015

Hi Steve,
too tired to concentrate. Had some sleep. But still in deficit of 2 hours for last night. A lot more cumulative :)
Will have to get some rest again to be effective.
I'll let you evaluate. for pre-disaster jobs we can say to trace all buidling.
but problem, TM1018, some of kathmandu urban integrated. might take time to do.
thanks for this help  

      De : Steve Bower <sbower at gmavt.net>
 À : Julian Haag <osm at juhaag.de> 
Cc : HOT Openstreetmap <hot at openstreetmap.org> 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h13
 Objet : Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
Regarding tracing buildings in #1018, Nepal "2nd pass", the *revised* instructions are unambiguous:
"Buildings - Trace ALL individual buildings and tag it as building=yes. For clusters of building, DO NOT enclose the whole area as one building. It is important to trace individual structures for future damage analysis."

I have been doing so, even in areas already tagged landuse=residential. If tracing all individual buildings is incorrect, let me know and the instructions should be revised.
I would expect consistency of instructions across the Nepal projects, e.g., regarding how to add buildings. An experienced project manager might want to review the Nepal project instructions for consistency/completeness (if not done already).
Feedback from validators would be very helpful, whether "all good" or "for future do this".

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Julian Haag <osm at juhaag.de> wrote:

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I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a
bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and
adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal
this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some
flavour to that one too.. :D
He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential.

It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous
so technically he is not wrong!
I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the
point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2.
So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed
out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did
to me at first (only a bit :D)).

greetings from germany

P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate
especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a
kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be
particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid
saying what is bad ;)

Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer:
> Makes sense to me ...
> In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots
of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that "every
individual structure needs to be traced".
> The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really
feel this is a waste of precious time.
> In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate
(which is a very good idea!).
> They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all
the highways.
> I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as
possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job.
> Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK
> Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD
>> Hi all,
>> I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and
>> there's a ton of those.
>> However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers
>> validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so.
>> Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking
>> manager, I think there may be a workaround.
>> What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode
>> temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they
>> can validate the done tasks.
>> This could be used for this project for example:
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
>> This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to
>> do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing.
>> My 2 cents.
>> Pierre
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