[HOT] Cat-5 Hurricane Patricia heading to Mexican Pacific Coast

Robert Banick rbanick at gmail.com
Fri Oct 23 08:28:15 UTC 2015

Hi Rodolfo,

Unfortunately, the OSM community has historically viewed CC-BY as incompatible with ODBL. As I understand it ODBL’s “share-alike” provisions are more stringent than CC-BY. To be on the safe side the OSM community has historically asked for explicit permission to import according to ODBL instead of assuming compatibility, even in disaster situations. I believe there’s a draft “permission statement” out there that you can bring to whoever needs to give the OK. Does anyone on this list have a copy?

There’s a lot of debate within OSM about whether this is the correct way to go about things. I for one think ODBL is a self-imposed straightjacket. But given that we’ve historically viewed imports this way it’s best to go along for efficiency’s sake. The good news is that if you’re already adopting CC-BY your team probably has their heart in the right place and will go along.

COD/FOD is a great place to start — that’s where international humanitarians will pitch up first for data. Most of them aren’t as OSM-savvy as us so any extracts that can be done ahead of time and parked there would be great.



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On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Rodolfo Wilhelmy <rwilhelmy at gmail.com>

> Thanks Robert,
> Good news is that the government is pushing an Open Data Policy at the
> federal level (I work at that team). And we have a CC-BY compatible license
> in the official data portal (see datos.gob.mx/libreusomx), which AFAIK is
> somewhat compatible with ODBL - an attribution-only kind of license. This
> works right?
> In the meantime I'm collecting COD/FODs datasets for HDX and datos.gob.mx,
> Do you think COD/FOD is a good framework to start?
> Thanks again
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:23 AM Robert Banick <rbanick at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Rodolfo,
>> Importing said critcial infrastructure data could be a useful preparatory
>> step. That way any subsequent HOT activations would build off of existing
>> data instead of wasting time recreating it.
>> In particular, securing clear permission to import missing critical
>> infrastructure data according to OSM’s ODBL license would be helpful. A lot
>> of imports stall because of a lack of clear licensing permissions; rarely
>> are responsible bodies able to process these requests in the midst of
>> disasters, when the approving supervisors are incredibly busy with response
>> tasks.
>> Best,
>> Robert
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>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Rodolfo Wilhelmy <rwilhelmy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Greetings from Mexico
>>> As some of you might already know, a Category-5 Hurricane has formed in
>>> the Pacific Coast and it's heading to the western mexican coast. Official
>>> sources estimate that it will hit the coast by tomorrow (friday) afternoon
>>> (GMT-0500).
>>> Let's hope this doesn't escalate.
>>> How should the OSM community in Mexico prepare for this? As of now, we
>>> are collecting official data sources of critical infrastructure, some of it
>>> not present in OSM yet.
>>> Any recommendations before this event happens?
>>> Is there something we could prepare beforehand a possible humanitarian
>>> activation?
>>> Best,
>>> *References*
>>> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_ep5.shtml?5-daynl#contents
>>> http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=f416f754eb3bdc2&source=pa&hl=es&gl=419
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Patricia
>>> *Image*:
>>> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/EP20/refresh/EP2015W5_NL_sm2+gif/053225W5_NL_sm.gif
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