[HOT] Cat-5 Hurricane Patricia heading to Mexican Pacific Coast

Rafael Avila Coya ravilacoya at gmail.com
Fri Oct 23 09:35:06 UTC 2015

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Hi all:

You can download an Authorization of use of data here:

I don't know if there is an Spanish-translated one.

We got the same problem with CC-by when trying to import VDC
boundaries in Nepal after the earthquake. For me, this is a non-sense,
because if you release data with CC-by, you are mainly giving
permission to do whatever, and only asking for attribution, that can
go in the import wiki and metadata of the changeset (and also the
objects too).

The reason they give is just the opposite: that ODbL doesn't guarantee
that they will attribute the data according to the "restrictions" of
the CC-by license.

Sarah Hinchliff Pearson, Senior counsel of Creative Commons, was asked
about this and said clearly that ODbL is compatible with CC-by, but
not even this statement was sufficient.



On 23/10/15 10:28, Robert Banick wrote:
> Hi Rodolfo,
> Unfortunately, the OSM community has historically viewed CC-BY as 
> incompatible with ODBL. As I understand it ODBL’s “share-alike” 
> provisions are more stringent than CC-BY. To be on the safe side
> the OSM community has historically asked for explicit permission to
> import according to ODBL instead of assuming compatibility, even in
> disaster situations. I believe there’s a draft “permission
> statement” out there that you can bring to whoever needs to give
> the OK. Does anyone on this list have a copy?
> There’s a lot of debate within OSM about whether this is the
> correct way to go about things. I for one think ODBL is a
> self-imposed straightjacket. But given that we’ve historically
> viewed imports this way it’s best to go along for efficiency’s
> sake. The good news is that if you’re already adopting CC-BY your
> team probably has their heart in the right place and will go
> along.
> COD/FOD is a great place to start — that’s where international 
> humanitarians will pitch up first for data. Most of them aren’t as 
> OSM-savvy as us so any extracts that can be done ahead of time and 
> parked there would be great.
> Best, Robert
> — Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Rodolfo Wilhelmy
> <rwilhelmy at gmail.com <mailto:rwilhelmy at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks Robert,
> Good news is that the government is pushing an Open Data Policy at 
> the federal level (I work at that team). And we have a CC-BY 
> compatible license in the official data portal (see 
> datos.gob.mx/libreusomx <http://datos.gob.mx/libreusomx>), which 
> AFAIK is somewhat compatible with ODBL - an attribution-only kind
> of license. This works right?
> In the meantime I'm collecting COD/FODs datasets for HDX and 
> datos.gob.mx <http://datos.gob.mx>,
> Do you think COD/FOD is a good framework to start?
> Thanks again
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:23 AM Robert Banick <rbanick at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rbanick at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Rodolfo,
> Importing said critcial infrastructure data could be a useful 
> preparatory step. That way any subsequent HOT activations would 
> build off of existing data instead of wasting time recreating it.
> In particular, securing clear permission to import missing critical
> infrastructure data according to OSM’s ODBL license would be
> helpful. A lot of imports stall because of a lack of clear
> licensing permissions; rarely are responsible bodies able to
> process these requests in the midst of disasters, when the 
> approving supervisors are incredibly busy with response tasks.
> Best, Robert
> — Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Rodolfo Wilhelmy 
> <rwilhelmy at gmail.com <mailto:rwilhelmy at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Greetings from Mexico
> As some of you might already know, a Category-5 Hurricane has
> formed in the Pacific Coast and it's heading to the western mexican
> coast. Official sources estimate that it will hit the coast by
> tomorrow (friday) afternoon (GMT-0500).
> Let's hope this doesn't escalate.
> How should the OSM community in Mexico prepare for this? As of now,
> we are collecting official data sources of critical infrastructure,
> some of it not present in OSM yet.
> Any recommendations before this event happens? Is there something
> we could prepare beforehand a possible humanitarian activation?
> Best,
> *References* 
> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_ep5.shtml?5-daynl#contents 
> http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=f416f754eb3bdc2&source=pa&hl=es&gl=419
> *Image*: 
> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/EP20/refresh/EP2015W5_NL_sm2+gif/053225W5_NL_sm.gif
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