[HOT] Alpha Release of the Redeveloped Export Tool

Blake Girardot bgirardot at gmail.com
Tue Sep 15 11:08:17 UTC 2015


Hi all,

If we can support administrator added translation files and sql 
transform files that would be a good compromise and really more than a 
compromise, an actual improvement over v.1 with no loss of end user 
functionality.

How does that sound to you Severin?

Cheers,
Blake



On 9/15/2015 11:29 AM, Brian O'Hare wrote:
> Hi Severin,
>
> My feeling is that the translation and transform files should be added
> by an administrator rather than being uploaded by regular users. Its
> very difficult to validate the schema transformation and translation
> files that are uploaded.. we can check that the mime-types are
> text/plain but beyond that it becomes a bit much to test if they're even
> valid sql etc. If you look at the rest of the uploaded files on the
> export tool v1 you'll see that most of it is complete junk.. there are
> raw osm files larger than 10MB in this list! Allowing users to upload
> any old file makes the export process very brittle and leads to a
> cluttering of the tool with garbage. From the user survey conducted its
> clear that transformations and translations are corner cases. Our focus
> on the re-development has been on improving the overall usability and
> stability of the tool rather than catering to every need regardless of
> its usefulness to the majority of users. I'm sure there's away to
> include the work you've been doing on translation and transformation but
> that does not compromise the usability and stability of the service.
>
> kind regards,
>
> Brian.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Severin Menard
> <severin.menard at gmail.com <mailto:severin.menard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Mhairi,
>
>     This is very surprising and disappointing for me to see that the
>     Translation and Transform capacity that was one of the core
>     functions of this tool when we designed it in 2012, has been just
>     removed. It was not used much so far indeed, due to a lack of
>     transform and translation files. And this is precisely what I have
>     been working on on my voluntary time for months. If you go to
>     http://export.hotosm.org/en/uploads/translations and click on
>     Traduction_HDDM_FR_valeurs : Download
>     <http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/translation-317>, you can see a
>     translation file from EN to FR of (currently) most common 674 tags,
>     alphabetically ordered and regularly improved, from this document
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jAoP5ErSSHSSU8PZQEfzLSdGACYO7HimfqKhHPpi0U/edit>.
>     This file is a good asset to be reused for other languages, as more
>     than half the job (listing and typing the tags) is already done.
>     Regarding the SQL Transform, the Traduction_HDDM_FR_champs :
>     Download <http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/tagtransform-301>
>     translates the column names (meaning keys) from EN to FR, and it can
>     also be reused for other languages or data model. This other SQL
>     transform file <http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/tagtransform-301>
>     allows to transform the OSM road data model into the WFP one.
>     The result is eg this job <http://export.hotosm.org/en/jobs/12416>,
>     in which all the data is translated into French, what really
>     facilitates the use of the OSM data among non English speaking
>     students or GIS professionals in French speaking countries (what is
>     not rare at all).
>
>     The HOT Export is currently the only tool to do this, with such an
>     easy that ticking two choices during a job creation. It would be
>     really sad HOT would walked down this way and force everyone to use
>     only English. Hope these functions can be back in the HOT Exports
>     v2. Otherwise, non EN speakers (or just people that would like to
>     get the data in their own language) will have to stay and deal with v1.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     Severin
>
>     On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Mhairi O'Hara
>     <mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org <mailto:mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org>> wrote:
>
>         Hey Severin,
>
>         Sorry just saw this message now. After some discussion, Brian
>         and I thought it would be best to remove this functionality from
>         the new tool based on the results of the survey we conducted on
>         the Export Tool.
>
>         It verified our assumption that there are only a handful of
>         individuals that used the Transform and Translation
>         functionality offered by the tool, who are generally more
>         advanced GIS users.
>
>         Therefore those users that have the skills and capability to
>         create the required configuration files, can also do this
>         modification outside of the Export Tool and probably do it much
>         better, as it can be tested and viewed better in another GIS
>         software.
>
>         Of course we would like to hear more from the users that have
>         used this functionality to weigh up its pros and cons. I've had
>         the fortunate opportunity to speak to Amadou in person about his
>         use of the Translation function and would like to discuss this more.
>
>         We thought the best way to really find out how users of the tool
>         would feel about its removal, was to go ahead and do it and see
>         the reaction :) So let's talk about this while the tool is still
>         in its testing phase to come to the best decision.
>
>         Kind regards,
>
>         Mhairi
>
>
>
>         On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Severin Menard
>         <severin.menard at gmail.com <mailto:severin.menard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi Mhairi,
>
>             Thanks for your message.
>             Where can we input the translation and the SQL transform
>             files we created for the v.1?
>
>             Sincerely,
>
>             Severin
>
>             On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Mhairi O'Hara
>             <mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org <mailto:mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 Hello HOTties,
>
>                 The Alpha release of the new Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
>                 Team OSM Export Tool
>                 <http://hot.geoweb.io/en/jobs/create/> takes place
>                 today. Please help us iron out any bugs or oversights by
>                 logging issues on the dedicated GitHub repository
>                 <http://github.com/hotosm/osm-export-tool2/wiki/Alpha-Release%20%20which%20details%20the%20key%20changes%20from%20the%20previous%20version.%20A%20special%20thanks%20goes%20out%20to%20our%20amazing%20developer%20Brian%20O%E2%80%99Hare%20who%20has%20worked%20relentlessly%20on%20the%20redevelopment,%20Arushi%20Vashist%20for%20supporting%20the%20work,%20the%20community%20for%20their%20feedback%20and%20the%20Hewlett%20Foundation,%20who%E2%80%99s%20generous%20grant%20made%20it%20possible%20to%20create%20a%20better%20tool%20to%20meet%20all%20your%20OSM%20data%20exporting%20needs.>.
>                 The Alpha phase runs from the 31st August till the 18th
>                 September, when the Beta release is scheduled for the
>                 final testing phase before the new site is migrated and
>                 goes live on the 28th September.
>
>                 Please see the Alpha release GitHub wiki page
>                 <https://github.com/hotosm/osm-export-tool2/wiki/Alpha-Release%20> which
>                 details the key changes from the previous version. A
>                 special thanks goes out to Brian O’Hare who has worked
>                 relentlessly on the redevelopment, Arushi Vashist for
>                 her support, the community for their feedback and the
>                 Hewlett Foundation, who’s generous grant made it
>                 possible to create a better tool to meet all your OSM
>                 data exporting needs.
>
>                 Kind regards,
>
>                 Mhairi O'Hara
>
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