[HOT] website down???

Jaakko Helleranta jaakko at helleranta.com
Wed Feb 17 17:13:51 UTC 2016


Hi Ribin,

The website problem in question was about the HOT website, hotosm.org.

You seem to be are having a problem uploading data to the osm.org API (
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api).

I've never been to Bangladesh and don't have any idea of the
quality/stability of your Internet connection but the problem might very
well have to do with that in stead of the osm.org. In fact, it likely is a
problem with something in the connection in the local end. It can be really
annoying, I know. But there's unfortunately not very much you can do about
it except try to ensure that e.g. people are not using the connection that
you are using unnecessarily.

It sometimes happens that downloading more data also makes the upload link
slower or more choppy. I've experienced that both in Nicaragua and Haiti,
which are my two main points of experience in less-than-perfect
connections. So, what ever download activity (media such as videos even
photos, even just a lot of "normal" web browsing, especially downloading of
some bigger chunks of data) might well impact your ability to upload OSM
edits to the osm.org API.

With best regards from Managua,
-Jaakko



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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tasauf A Baki Billah <tasauf1980 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are having a mapping party at Dhaka and it seems we are having frequent
> problem getting the data uploaded..
> It seems the website is down for a while. Is it so or there's any other
> problem???
>
> Ribin
> OSMBD
> On Feb 17, 2016 6:14 PM, <hot-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
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>    1. Re: Website down? (Jorieke Vyncke)
>    2. Activation WG Meeting (Mhairi O'Hara)
>    3. Re: Website down? (Russell Deffner)
>    4. Missing Maps Event Calendar (Mike Thompson)
>    5. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>       process (john whelan)
>    6. Re: Missing Maps Event Calendar (Katie Filbert)
>    7. Re: Missing Maps Event Calendar (Blake Girardot)
>    8. HOT Summit quick update (Mikel Maron)
>    9. HOT Summit Quick Update (mikel.maron at hotosm.org)
>   10. Re: Missing Maps Event Calendar (Mike Thompson)
>   11. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the     validation
>       process (Russell Deffner)
>   12. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>       process (john whelan)
>   13. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>       process (Russell Deffner)
>   14. How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon? (Mike Thompson)
>   15. Re: How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>       (Heather Leson)
>   16. Re: How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>       (Mike Thompson)
>   17. Re: HOT in Research - Casual meetup (Heather Leson)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:01:55 +0000
> From: Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
> To: Chris Fleming <me at chrisfleming.org>
> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Website down?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Thanks for your quick reactions!
> Happy it's not a problem at my level ;-)
> Hope it will be solved soon...
>
> Greetings, Jorieke
>
> 2016-02-16 11:54 GMT, Chris Fleming <me at chrisfleming.org>:
> > Looks like it's down to me, error message is:
> >
> > *PDOException*: SQLSTATE[HY000] [1129] Host 'hotwww.local' is blocked
> > because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'
> in
> > *lock_may_be_available()* (line *167* of */var/www/includes/lock.inc*).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 at 11:49 Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Our website (https://hotosm.org/) is down?
> >> Or is it just my connection doing difficult...
> >>
> >> Best, Jorieke
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> HOT mailing list
> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:01:43 +0700
> From: "Mhairi O'Hara" <mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org>
> To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>, Activation WG <activation at hotosm.org>
> Subject: [HOT] Activation WG Meeting
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Just a reminder that the Activation WG meeting is starting now (Tuesday
> 16th Feb 1300 UTC) if you would like to attend on IRC Chat:
>
> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot
>
> Please find the agenda for the meeting on the Activation WG Trello board:
>
> https://trello.com/b/ogU4Wjd6/hot-activation-wg
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mhairi
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 06:59:14 -0700
> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
> To: "'Jorieke Vyncke'" <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>, "'Chris Fleming'"
>         <me at chrisfleming.org>
> Cc: Sys Admin <sysadmin at hotosm.org>, hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Website down?
> Message-ID: <005701d168c2$38b9cd60$aa2d6820$@hotosm.org>
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>
> Looks like it's back up, just for future reference, I think it's
> sysadmin at hotosm you want to ping for outages and such.
> =Russ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jorieke Vyncke [mailto:jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:02 AM
> To: Chris Fleming
> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Website down?
>
> Thanks for your quick reactions!
> Happy it's not a problem at my level ;-)
> Hope it will be solved soon...
>
> Greetings, Jorieke
>
> 2016-02-16 11:54 GMT, Chris Fleming <me at chrisfleming.org>:
> > Looks like it's down to me, error message is:
> >
> > *PDOException*: SQLSTATE[HY000] [1129] Host 'hotwww.local' is blocked
> > because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'
> in
> > *lock_may_be_available()* (line *167* of */var/www/includes/lock.inc*).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 at 11:49 Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Our website (https://hotosm.org/) is down?
> >> Or is it just my connection doing difficult...
> >>
> >> Best, Jorieke
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> HOT mailing list
> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >>
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> HOT mailing list
> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 07:02:51 -0700
> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
> Message-ID:
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> How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
> http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
>
> Information about the event is here:
> http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:18:46 -0500
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: Daniel Specht <danspecht at gmail.com>
> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>         validation      process
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> So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be much
> more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is needed
> rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise different
> mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.  Also asking
> for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>
> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>
> Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
> been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
> instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
> landuse=residential areas in?
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 12 February 2016 at 11:01, Daniel Specht <danspecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
> > > <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > In there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can document
> > > validation, what works and why and what to look for?  Perhaps put down
> > > some sort of service level agreement ie after validation we are only
> > > looking for what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM
> > > validotian to be run.  We expect 97% of settlements to be mapped type
> > > thing? That way people who wish to validate have something to feel
> > > confident about.
> > >
> > > We need to get more people into validation.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Cheerio John
> >
> > John's right -- we need more people validating, and we can accomplish
> that
> > by explaining how to validate in the instructions, just as we explain how
> > to map in the instructions. The instructions should have two parts  --
> >  what the customer wants, and what the customer needs. Currently the
> > instructions only describe what the customer wants. What the customer
> > needs, the (generally unstated) validation requirements, are at least as
> > important as the instructions themselves, and they won't be the same for
> > all projects any more than the instructions will.
> >
> > --
> > Dan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > HOT mailing list
> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:24:27 +0100
> From: Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> Cc: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
> Message-ID:
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> Here:
>
> https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/pull/69
>
> Cheers,
> Katie
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
> > http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
> >
> > Information about the event is here:
> > http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > HOT mailing list
> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Katie Filbert
> filbertk at gmail.com
> @filbertkm / @wikidata
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:37:16 +0100
> From: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> To: Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com>, Mike Thompson
>         <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> Cc: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
> Message-ID: <56C3341C.4080105 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> This form is the best/easiest way to get on the list on the main Missing
> Maps website:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/174ZAAaqtRkJtyY2657RVAMbnvs8IzujWAShZy3y3_FY/viewform
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
> On 2/16/2016 3:24 PM, Katie Filbert wrote:
> > Here:
> >
> > https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/pull/69
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Katie
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
> >     http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
> >
> >     Information about the event is here:
> >     http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >
> >     Mike
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     HOT mailing list
> >     HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> >     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Katie Filbert
> > filbertk at gmail.com <mailto:filbertk at gmail.com>
> > @filbertkm / @wikidata
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > HOT mailing list
> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:18:20 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
> To: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [HOT] HOT Summit quick update
> Message-ID:
>         <8907945.5158061.1455635900515.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> We had a great rapid kick off meeting today for organizing HOT Summit
> 2016. Here's a few rough notes of our discussion so far.
> Talked about locations and format. Leading idea is something connected to
> SotM in Brussels. Another possibility is an additional event connected to
> ICCM in Manila. Want to connect with as much of the global HOT community as
> possible. Length in mind 1-2 days. Audience would be both established HOT
> community, and expansion to new folks -- volunteers, humanitarian orgs and
> NGOs, funders. Approximately 100-150 attendees. Scholarships could be
> really valuable, but takes fundraising and prioritization.
> We ended with a quick set of actions -- setting up a first website, look
> at logo and design, draft a concept note, and start researching venues --
> and organized ourselves on Trello.
> Next meeting, possible next week or the week after --- we'll assess over
> email. If you'd like to get involved, send me a note, and we can add you to
> the group. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: <mikel.maron at hotosm.org>
> To: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [HOT] HOT Summit Quick Update
> Message-ID:
>         <1897870843.5003790.1455635821254.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> We had a great rapid kick off meeting today for organizing HOT Summit
> 2016. Here's a few rough notes of our discussion so far.
> Talked about locations and format. Leading idea is something connected to
> SotM in Brussels. Another possibility is an additional event connected to
> ICCM in Manila. Want to connect with as much of the global HOT community as
> possible. Length in mind 1-2 days. Audience would be both established HOT
> community, and expansion to new folks -- volunteers, humanitarian orgs and
> NGOs, funders. Approximately 100-150 attendees. Scholarships could be
> really valuable, but takes fundraising and prioritization.
> We ended with a quick set of actions -- setting up a first website, look
> at logo and design, draft a concept note, and start researching venues --
> and organized ourselves on Trello.
> Next meeting, possible next week or the week after --- we'll assess over
> email. If you'd like to get involved, send me a note, and we can add you to
> the group. -Mikel
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:56:56 -0700
> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> To: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> Cc: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
> Message-ID:
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> Blake, Katie,
>
> Thanks!  I used the form Blake provided and now our event is listed!
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > This form is the best/easiest way to get on the list on the main Missing
> > Maps website:
> >
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/174ZAAaqtRkJtyY2657RVAMbnvs8IzujWAShZy3y3_FY/viewform
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Blake
> >
> > On 2/16/2016 3:24 PM, Katie Filbert wrote:
> >
> >> Here:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/pull/69
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Katie
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
> >>     http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
> >>
> >>     Information about the event is here:
> >>     http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
> >>
> >>     Thanks,
> >>
> >>     Mike
> >>
> >>     _______________________________________________
> >>     HOT mailing list
> >>     HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> >>     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Katie Filbert
> >> filbertk at gmail.com <mailto:filbertk at gmail.com>
> >> @filbertkm / @wikidata
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> HOT mailing list
> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:11:55 -0700
> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
> To: "'john whelan'" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>, "'Daniel Specht'"
>         <danspecht at gmail.com>
> Cc: "'hot at openstreetmap.org'" <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>         validation      process
> Message-ID: <000601d168e5$85469550$8fd3bff0$@hotosm.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi John,
>
>
>
> It feels a bit odd to try and reply ‘on behalf of the AWG’ to…
>
> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>
> But I think what you’re trying to address is a bit of a
> training/communication thing; each Project is created by an individual
> account that has permission/privilege on whatever instance of the Tasking
> Manager the project is created on. The main HOT instance for example has
> somewhere around 100 people/accounts that can create projects there. In
> order to try and get ‘better instructions’ we have set-up a mailing list
> for everyone to communicate (tm-project-managers@) and ideally we’ll get
> some great training via courses@ and LearnOSM.  In other words, we really
> do need to create some ‘best practices’ for making the most efficient
> projects for the desired result, but some of that needs to be HOT/Disaster
> specific and some should be more broad to help those running other
> instances of the Tasking Manager – such as TeachOSM.
>
>
>
> Anyway, great discussion – just trying to direct some action – it is on
> the Activation WG Trello to ‘further utilize’ the tm mailing list,
> training, etc.
>
>
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:19 AM
> To: Daniel Specht
> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
> process
>
>
>
> So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
> much more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is
> needed rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise
> different mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.
> Also asking for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>
> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>
> Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
> been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
> instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
> landuse=residential areas in?
>
> Cheerio John
>
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> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:34:33 -0500
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
> Cc: Daniel Specht <danspecht at gmail.com>, "hot at openstreetmap.org"
>         <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>         validation      process
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> I think the classic that Daniel identified is map all roads.  Does it mean
> highway=unclassified and above, everything including tracks?  Adding tracks
> in can double the amount of effort.
>
> Perhaps if we had some sort of validation of the project instructions
> before the tile is released?
>
> I think best practises covers it nicely.  Perhaps in the training mention
> that projects with simple clear instructions have a better completion rate
> than more muzzy ones?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 16 February 2016 at 13:11, Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> >
> >
> > It feels a bit odd to try and reply ‘on behalf of the AWG’ to…
> >
> > So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> > confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> > of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
> >
> > But I think what you’re trying to address is a bit of a
> > training/communication thing; each Project is created by an individual
> > account that has permission/privilege on whatever instance of the Tasking
> > Manager the project is created on. The main HOT instance for example has
> > somewhere around 100 people/accounts that can create projects there. In
> > order to try and get ‘better instructions’ we have set-up a mailing list
> > for everyone to communicate (tm-project-managers@) and ideally we’ll get
> > some great training via courses@ and LearnOSM.  In other words, we
> really
> > do need to create some ‘best practices’ for making the most efficient
> > projects for the desired result, but some of that needs to be
> HOT/Disaster
> > specific and some should be more broad to help those running other
> > instances of the Tasking Manager – such as TeachOSM.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, great discussion – just trying to direct some action – it is on
> > the Activation WG Trello to ‘further utilize’ the tm mailing list,
> > training, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > =Russ
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:19 AM
> > *To:* Daniel Specht
> > *Cc:* hot at openstreetmap.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
> > process
> >
> >
> >
> > So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
> > much more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is
> > needed rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise
> > different mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.
> > Also asking for everything takes away resources from other projects.
> >
> > So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> > confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> > of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
> >
> > Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
> > been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
> > instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
> > landuse=residential areas in?
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:44:00 -0700
> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
> To: "'john whelan'" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Daniel Specht' <danspecht at gmail.com>, "'hot at openstreetmap.org'"
>         <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>         validation      process
> Message-ID: <002001d168fa$c42ed010$4c8c7030$@hotosm.org>
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> Ok, also on the ‘front-page’ of the Tasking Manager where you see the
> ‘brief’ of the project, you can find out who the specific Project
> Manager/creator is and maybe get clarification or ask them to specify in
> the instructions.
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: Russell Deffner
> Cc: Daniel Specht; hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
> process
>
>
>
> I think the classic that Daniel identified is map all roads.  Does it mean
> highway=unclassified and above, everything including tracks?  Adding tracks
> in can double the amount of effort.
>
> Perhaps if we had some sort of validation of the project instructions
> before the tile is released?
>
> I think best practises covers it nicely.  Perhaps in the training mention
> that projects with simple clear instructions have a better completion rate
> than more muzzy ones?
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2016 at 13:11, Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
>
>
> It feels a bit odd to try and reply ‘on behalf of the AWG’ to…
>
> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>
> But I think what you’re trying to address is a bit of a
> training/communication thing; each Project is created by an individual
> account that has permission/privilege on whatever instance of the Tasking
> Manager the project is created on. The main HOT instance for example has
> somewhere around 100 people/accounts that can create projects there. In
> order to try and get ‘better instructions’ we have set-up a mailing list
> for everyone to communicate (tm-project-managers@) and ideally we’ll get
> some great training via courses@ and LearnOSM.  In other words, we really
> do need to create some ‘best practices’ for making the most efficient
> projects for the desired result, but some of that needs to be HOT/Disaster
> specific and some should be more broad to help those running other
> instances of the Tasking Manager – such as TeachOSM.
>
>
>
> Anyway, great discussion – just trying to direct some action – it is on
> the Activation WG Trello to ‘further utilize’ the tm mailing list,
> training, etc.
>
>
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:19 AM
> To: Daniel Specht
> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
> process
>
>
>
> So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
> much more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is
> needed rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise
> different mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.
> Also asking for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>
> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>
> Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
> been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
> instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
> landuse=residential areas in?
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:08:31 -0700
> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [HOT] How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
> Message-ID:
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> A local radio station has agreed to interview me and my co-organizer about
> our upcoming mapathon and the University of Northern Colorado (US). They
> will probably want to introduce me in a manner similar to "Next up is Mike
> with <insert organization name>".  Is it permissible to say "...a volunteer
> with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" even though I am not formally a
> member of HOT? How about "... a volunteer with the Missing Maps Project"?
>
> Mike
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 07:22:14 +0300
> From: Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "HOT at OSM \(Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team\)"
>         <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
> Message-ID:
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> Hey Mike, you are with Hot as a community volunteer. Thanks for leading!
>
> Heather
> On 17 Feb 2016 07:10, "Mike Thompson" <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A local radio station has agreed to interview me and my co-organizer
> about
> > our upcoming mapathon and the University of Northern Colorado (US). They
> > will probably want to introduce me in a manner similar to "Next up is
> Mike
> > with <insert organization name>".  Is it permissible to say "...a
> volunteer
> > with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" even though I am not formally a
> > member of HOT? How about "... a volunteer with the Missing Maps Project"?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > HOT mailing list
> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:24:27 -0700
> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
> To: Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
> Cc: "HOT at OSM \(Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team\)"
>         <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks Heather!
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Mike, you are with Hot as a community volunteer. Thanks for leading!
> >
> > Heather
> > On 17 Feb 2016 07:10, "Mike Thompson" <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A local radio station has agreed to interview me and my co-organizer
> >> about our upcoming mapathon and the University of Northern Colorado
> (US).
> >> They will probably want to introduce me in a manner similar to "Next up
> is
> >> Mike with <insert organization name>".  Is it permissible to say "...a
> >> volunteer with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" even though I am not
> >> formally a member of HOT? How about "... a volunteer with the Missing
> Maps
> >> Project"?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> HOT mailing list
> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:08:08 +0300
> From: Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
> To: Martin Dittus <martin at dekstop.de>
> Cc: "HOT at OSM \(Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team\)"
>         <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] HOT in Research - Casual meetup
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks everyone.
>
> The HOT Casual Research mumble chat will be on:
>
> Wednesday, March 2nd, 2016
> Timezones: 15:00 UTC/18:00 AST/10:00 EST/07:00 PST/
>
> Duration: 1 hour
>
>
> How to join:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble
>
> Agenda:
> Review the Academic Partnership Guide
> Review Research Topics
> Coordinate HOT Research Scramble (collect the existing research)
> Consider future recommendations
> Thanks
>
> Heather
>
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherleson at gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Martin Dittus <martin at dekstop.de> wrote:
>
> > Was just thinking it would be nice to get people closer together!
> >
> > Unfortunately that week coincides with CSCW in SF where I’ll present my
> > first HOT paper :)
> > http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/l.capra/publications/cscw2016.pdf (that's
> > work from last summer)
> >
> > But considering how hard scheduling always is I’ll simply try my best to
> > participate from there.
> >
> > m.
> >
> >
> > > On 11 Feb 2016, at 16:26, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > HI folks,
> > >
> > > There are a few of us keen to see more research on HOT. Last year
> Robert
> > Soden spearheaded a discussion at the HOT Summit. The results were
> tracked
> > on two wiki pages:
> > >
> > > HOT Research Topics
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_Research_Topics
> > >
> > >
> > > HOT Academic Partnerships
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_Academic_Partnerships
> > >
> > > We'd like to meet others keen to talk about research. Add your times by
> > Wednesday, February 17th and we'll firm up a time for the 1st week in
> March.
> > >
> > > Times listed in UTC/GMT
> > > http://doodle.com/poll/ct335p8d32zkp37i
> > >
> > > Call can be on mumble.
> > >
> > > Once we have a time, we'll create a shared doc space for tracking.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Robert and Heather
> > >
> > >
> > > Heather Leson
> > > heatherleson at gmail.com
> > > Twitter: HeatherLeson
> > > Blog: textontechs.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > HOT mailing list
> > > HOT at openstreetmap.org
> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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