[HOT] website down???

Tasauf A Baki Billah tasauf1980 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 17 18:04:41 UTC 2016


Hi Jaakko,

Thanks for your response. Yes, I've also realized the problem we were
having was actually to  uploading the data in API.
I was a bit confused with that and that's why asked the question.

probably the Internet connectivity might also be the reason.

Thanks anyway,

Ribin
OSM-BD

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Jaakko Helleranta <jaakko at helleranta.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ribin,
>
> The website problem in question was about the HOT website, hotosm.org.
>
> You seem to be are having a problem uploading data to the osm.org API (
> http://api.openstreetmap.org/api).
>
> I've never been to Bangladesh and don't have any idea of the
> quality/stability of your Internet connection but the problem might very
> well have to do with that in stead of the osm.org. In fact, it likely is
> a problem with something in the connection in the local end. It can be
> really annoying, I know. But there's unfortunately not very much you can do
> about it except try to ensure that e.g. people are not using the connection
> that you are using unnecessarily.
>
> It sometimes happens that downloading more data also makes the upload link
> slower or more choppy. I've experienced that both in Nicaragua and Haiti,
> which are my two main points of experience in less-than-perfect
> connections. So, what ever download activity (media such as videos even
> photos, even just a lot of "normal" web browsing, especially downloading of
> some bigger chunks of data) might well impact your ability to upload OSM
> edits to the osm.org API.
>
> With best regards from Managua,
> -Jaakko
>
>
>
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> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tasauf A Baki Billah <
> tasauf1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are having a mapping party at Dhaka and it seems we are having
>> frequent problem getting the data uploaded..
>> It seems the website is down for a while. Is it so or there's any other
>> problem???
>>
>> Ribin
>> OSMBD
>> On Feb 17, 2016 6:14 PM, <hot-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
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>>    1. Re: Website down? (Jorieke Vyncke)
>>    2. Activation WG Meeting (Mhairi O'Hara)
>>    3. Re: Website down? (Russell Deffner)
>>    4. Missing Maps Event Calendar (Mike Thompson)
>>    5. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>>       process (john whelan)
>>    6. Re: Missing Maps Event Calendar (Katie Filbert)
>>    7. Re: Missing Maps Event Calendar (Blake Girardot)
>>    8. HOT Summit quick update (Mikel Maron)
>>    9. HOT Summit Quick Update (mikel.maron at hotosm.org)
>>   10. Re: Missing Maps Event Calendar (Mike Thompson)
>>   11. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the     validation
>>       process (Russell Deffner)
>>   12. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>>       process (john whelan)
>>   13. Re: how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>>       process (Russell Deffner)
>>   14. How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon? (Mike Thompson)
>>   15. Re: How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>>       (Heather Leson)
>>   16. Re: How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>>       (Mike Thompson)
>>   17. Re: HOT in Research - Casual meetup (Heather Leson)
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:01:55 +0000
>> From: Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
>> To: Chris Fleming <me at chrisfleming.org>
>> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Website down?
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Thanks for your quick reactions!
>> Happy it's not a problem at my level ;-)
>> Hope it will be solved soon...
>>
>> Greetings, Jorieke
>>
>> 2016-02-16 11:54 GMT, Chris Fleming <me at chrisfleming.org>:
>> > Looks like it's down to me, error message is:
>> >
>> > *PDOException*: SQLSTATE[HY000] [1129] Host 'hotwww.local' is blocked
>> > because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin
>> flush-hosts' in
>> > *lock_may_be_available()* (line *167* of */var/www/includes/lock.inc*).
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 at 11:49 Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Our website (https://hotosm.org/) is down?
>> >> Or is it just my connection doing difficult...
>> >>
>> >> Best, Jorieke
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> HOT mailing list
>> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:01:43 +0700
>> From: "Mhairi O'Hara" <mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org>
>> To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>, Activation WG <activation at hotosm.org>
>> Subject: [HOT] Activation WG Meeting
>> Message-ID:
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>> Just a reminder that the Activation WG meeting is starting now (Tuesday
>> 16th Feb 1300 UTC) if you would like to attend on IRC Chat:
>>
>> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot
>>
>> Please find the agenda for the meeting on the Activation WG Trello board:
>>
>> https://trello.com/b/ogU4Wjd6/hot-activation-wg
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Mhairi
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 06:59:14 -0700
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>> To: "'Jorieke Vyncke'" <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>, "'Chris Fleming'"
>>         <me at chrisfleming.org>
>> Cc: Sys Admin <sysadmin at hotosm.org>, hot at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Website down?
>> Message-ID: <005701d168c2$38b9cd60$aa2d6820$@hotosm.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Looks like it's back up, just for future reference, I think it's
>> sysadmin at hotosm you want to ping for outages and such.
>> =Russ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jorieke Vyncke [mailto:jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:02 AM
>> To: Chris Fleming
>> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Website down?
>>
>> Thanks for your quick reactions!
>> Happy it's not a problem at my level ;-)
>> Hope it will be solved soon...
>>
>> Greetings, Jorieke
>>
>> 2016-02-16 11:54 GMT, Chris Fleming <me at chrisfleming.org>:
>> > Looks like it's down to me, error message is:
>> >
>> > *PDOException*: SQLSTATE[HY000] [1129] Host 'hotwww.local' is blocked
>> > because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin
>> flush-hosts' in
>> > *lock_may_be_available()* (line *167* of */var/www/includes/lock.inc*).
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 at 11:49 Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Our website (https://hotosm.org/) is down?
>> >> Or is it just my connection doing difficult...
>> >>
>> >> Best, Jorieke
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> HOT mailing list
>> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> HOT mailing list
>> HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 07:02:51 -0700
>> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
>> Message-ID:
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>> CALJoUktjeOy1qrLF4QtJ4qsznhYKFhnxZLanbiBQMuyoXTYC2A at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
>> http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
>>
>> Information about the event is here:
>> http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:18:46 -0500
>> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> To: Daniel Specht <danspecht at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>>         validation      process
>> Message-ID:
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>> So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
>> much
>> more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is
>> needed
>> rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise different
>> mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.  Also
>> asking
>> for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>>
>> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
>> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>>
>> Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
>> been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
>> instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
>> landuse=residential areas in?
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 February 2016 at 11:01, Daniel Specht <danspecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
>> > > <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can document
>> > > validation, what works and why and what to look for?  Perhaps put down
>> > > some sort of service level agreement ie after validation we are only
>> > > looking for what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM
>> > > validotian to be run.  We expect 97% of settlements to be mapped type
>> > > thing? That way people who wish to validate have something to feel
>> > > confident about.
>> > >
>> > > We need to get more people into validation.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Cheerio John
>> >
>> > John's right -- we need more people validating, and we can accomplish
>> that
>> > by explaining how to validate in the instructions, just as we explain
>> how
>> > to map in the instructions. The instructions should have two parts  --
>> >  what the customer wants, and what the customer needs. Currently the
>> > instructions only describe what the customer wants. What the customer
>> > needs, the (generally unstated) validation requirements, are at least as
>> > important as the instructions themselves, and they won't be the same for
>> > all projects any more than the instructions will.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:24:27 +0100
>> From: Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com>
>> To: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
>> Message-ID:
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>> Here:
>>
>> https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/pull/69
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Katie
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
>> > http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
>> >
>> > Information about the event is here:
>> > http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > HOT mailing list
>> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Katie Filbert
>> filbertk at gmail.com
>> @filbertkm / @wikidata
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:37:16 +0100
>> From: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>> To: Katie Filbert <filbertk at gmail.com>, Mike Thompson
>>         <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
>> Message-ID: <56C3341C.4080105 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> This form is the best/easiest way to get on the list on the main Missing
>> Maps website:
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/174ZAAaqtRkJtyY2657RVAMbnvs8IzujWAShZy3y3_FY/viewform
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>> On 2/16/2016 3:24 PM, Katie Filbert wrote:
>> > Here:
>> >
>> > https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/pull/69
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Katie
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
>> >     http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
>> >
>> >     Information about the event is here:
>> >     http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
>> >
>> >     Thanks,
>> >
>> >     Mike
>> >
>> >     _______________________________________________
>> >     HOT mailing list
>> >     HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>> >     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Katie Filbert
>> > filbertk at gmail.com <mailto:filbertk at gmail.com>
>> > @filbertkm / @wikidata
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > HOT mailing list
>> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:18:20 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
>> To: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [HOT] HOT Summit quick update
>> Message-ID:
>>         <8907945.5158061.1455635900515.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> We had a great rapid kick off meeting today for organizing HOT Summit
>> 2016. Here's a few rough notes of our discussion so far.
>> Talked about locations and format. Leading idea is something connected to
>> SotM in Brussels. Another possibility is an additional event connected to
>> ICCM in Manila. Want to connect with as much of the global HOT community as
>> possible. Length in mind 1-2 days. Audience would be both established HOT
>> community, and expansion to new folks -- volunteers, humanitarian orgs and
>> NGOs, funders. Approximately 100-150 attendees. Scholarships could be
>> really valuable, but takes fundraising and prioritization.
>> We ended with a quick set of actions -- setting up a first website, look
>> at logo and design, draft a concept note, and start researching venues --
>> and organized ourselves on Trello.
>> Next meeting, possible next week or the week after --- we'll assess over
>> email. If you'd like to get involved, send me a note, and we can add you to
>> the group. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: <mikel.maron at hotosm.org>
>> To: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [HOT] HOT Summit Quick Update
>> Message-ID:
>>         <1897870843.5003790.1455635821254.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> We had a great rapid kick off meeting today for organizing HOT Summit
>> 2016. Here's a few rough notes of our discussion so far.
>> Talked about locations and format. Leading idea is something connected to
>> SotM in Brussels. Another possibility is an additional event connected to
>> ICCM in Manila. Want to connect with as much of the global HOT community as
>> possible. Length in mind 1-2 days. Audience would be both established HOT
>> community, and expansion to new folks -- volunteers, humanitarian orgs and
>> NGOs, funders. Approximately 100-150 attendees. Scholarships could be
>> really valuable, but takes fundraising and prioritization.
>> We ended with a quick set of actions -- setting up a first website, look
>> at logo and design, draft a concept note, and start researching venues --
>> and organized ourselves on Trello.
>> Next meeting, possible next week or the week after --- we'll assess over
>> email. If you'd like to get involved, send me a note, and we can add you to
>> the group. -Mikel
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:56:56 -0700
>> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> To: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>> Cc: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Event Calendar
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CALJoUkto6Vtg2u+bvNFwj91FdsvzgSN2HkYC1jbd5nLkb=
>> Nk0g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Blake, Katie,
>>
>> Thanks!  I used the form Blake provided and now our event is listed!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hi Mike,
>> >
>> > This form is the best/easiest way to get on the list on the main Missing
>> > Maps website:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/174ZAAaqtRkJtyY2657RVAMbnvs8IzujWAShZy3y3_FY/viewform
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Blake
>> >
>> > On 2/16/2016 3:24 PM, Katie Filbert wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here:
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/pull/69
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Katie
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com
>> >> <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     How do we get our event listed on this calendar:
>> >>     http://www.missingmaps.org/#events
>> >>
>> >>     Information about the event is here:
>> >>     http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/228614359/
>> >>
>> >>     Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>     Mike
>> >>
>> >>     _______________________________________________
>> >>     HOT mailing list
>> >>     HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>> >>     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Katie Filbert
>> >> filbertk at gmail.com <mailto:filbertk at gmail.com>
>> >> @filbertkm / @wikidata
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> HOT mailing list
>> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:11:55 -0700
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>> To: "'john whelan'" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>, "'Daniel Specht'"
>>         <danspecht at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "'hot at openstreetmap.org'" <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>>         validation      process
>> Message-ID: <000601d168e5$85469550$8fd3bff0$@hotosm.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>>
>>
>> It feels a bit odd to try and reply ‘on behalf of the AWG’ to…
>>
>> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
>> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>>
>> But I think what you’re trying to address is a bit of a
>> training/communication thing; each Project is created by an individual
>> account that has permission/privilege on whatever instance of the Tasking
>> Manager the project is created on. The main HOT instance for example has
>> somewhere around 100 people/accounts that can create projects there. In
>> order to try and get ‘better instructions’ we have set-up a mailing list
>> for everyone to communicate (tm-project-managers@) and ideally we’ll get
>> some great training via courses@ and LearnOSM.  In other words, we
>> really do need to create some ‘best practices’ for making the most
>> efficient projects for the desired result, but some of that needs to be
>> HOT/Disaster specific and some should be more broad to help those running
>> other instances of the Tasking Manager – such as TeachOSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, great discussion – just trying to direct some action – it is on
>> the Activation WG Trello to ‘further utilize’ the tm mailing list,
>> training, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:19 AM
>> To: Daniel Specht
>> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>> process
>>
>>
>>
>> So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
>> much more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is
>> needed rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise
>> different mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.
>> Also asking for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>>
>> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
>> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>>
>> Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
>> been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
>> instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
>> landuse=residential areas in?
>>
>> Cheerio John
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:34:33 -0500
>> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> To: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>> Cc: Daniel Specht <danspecht at gmail.com>, "hot at openstreetmap.org"
>>         <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>>         validation      process
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CAJ-Ex1GY96yp=vKWfXvZKYD=yM-2zRMBKw4rGnHY+5_GeH5e=
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>> I think the classic that Daniel identified is map all roads.  Does it mean
>> highway=unclassified and above, everything including tracks?  Adding
>> tracks
>> in can double the amount of effort.
>>
>> Perhaps if we had some sort of validation of the project instructions
>> before the tile is released?
>>
>> I think best practises covers it nicely.  Perhaps in the training mention
>> that projects with simple clear instructions have a better completion rate
>> than more muzzy ones?
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 16 February 2016 at 13:11, Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi John,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It feels a bit odd to try and reply ‘on behalf of the AWG’ to…
>> >
>> > So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> > confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the
>> possibility
>> > of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>> >
>> > But I think what you’re trying to address is a bit of a
>> > training/communication thing; each Project is created by an individual
>> > account that has permission/privilege on whatever instance of the
>> Tasking
>> > Manager the project is created on. The main HOT instance for example has
>> > somewhere around 100 people/accounts that can create projects there. In
>> > order to try and get ‘better instructions’ we have set-up a mailing list
>> > for everyone to communicate (tm-project-managers@) and ideally we’ll
>> get
>> > some great training via courses@ and LearnOSM.  In other words, we
>> really
>> > do need to create some ‘best practices’ for making the most efficient
>> > projects for the desired result, but some of that needs to be
>> HOT/Disaster
>> > specific and some should be more broad to help those running other
>> > instances of the Tasking Manager – such as TeachOSM.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway, great discussion – just trying to direct some action – it is on
>> > the Activation WG Trello to ‘further utilize’ the tm mailing list,
>> > training, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > =Russ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:19 AM
>> > *To:* Daniel Specht
>> > *Cc:* hot at openstreetmap.org
>> > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>> validation
>> > process
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
>> > much more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what
>> is
>> > needed rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise
>> > different mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.
>> > Also asking for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>> >
>> > So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> > confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the
>> possibility
>> > of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>> >
>> > Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that
>> have
>> > been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
>> > instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
>> > landuse=residential areas in?
>> >
>> > Cheerio John
>> >
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:44:00 -0700
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>> To: "'john whelan'" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: 'Daniel Specht' <danspecht at gmail.com>, "'hot at openstreetmap.org'"
>>         <HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the
>>         validation      process
>> Message-ID: <002001d168fa$c42ed010$4c8c7030$@hotosm.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Ok, also on the ‘front-page’ of the Tasking Manager where you see the
>> ‘brief’ of the project, you can find out who the specific Project
>> Manager/creator is and maybe get clarification or ask them to specify in
>> the instructions.
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 1:35 PM
>> To: Russell Deffner
>> Cc: Daniel Specht; hot at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>> process
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the classic that Daniel identified is map all roads.  Does it
>> mean highway=unclassified and above, everything including tracks?  Adding
>> tracks in can double the amount of effort.
>>
>> Perhaps if we had some sort of validation of the project instructions
>> before the tile is released?
>>
>> I think best practises covers it nicely.  Perhaps in the training mention
>> that projects with simple clear instructions have a better completion rate
>> than more muzzy ones?
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2016 at 13:11, Russell Deffner <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>>
>>
>> It feels a bit odd to try and reply ‘on behalf of the AWG’ to…
>>
>> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
>> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>>
>> But I think what you’re trying to address is a bit of a
>> training/communication thing; each Project is created by an individual
>> account that has permission/privilege on whatever instance of the Tasking
>> Manager the project is created on. The main HOT instance for example has
>> somewhere around 100 people/accounts that can create projects there. In
>> order to try and get ‘better instructions’ we have set-up a mailing list
>> for everyone to communicate (tm-project-managers@) and ideally we’ll get
>> some great training via courses@ and LearnOSM.  In other words, we
>> really do need to create some ‘best practices’ for making the most
>> efficient projects for the desired result, but some of that needs to be
>> HOT/Disaster specific and some should be more broad to help those running
>> other instances of the Tasking Manager – such as TeachOSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, great discussion – just trying to direct some action – it is on
>> the Activation WG Trello to ‘further utilize’ the tm mailing list,
>> training, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:19 AM
>> To: Daniel Specht
>> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] how newer mappers can help a lot with the validation
>> process
>>
>>
>>
>> So to clarify what you're saying is the project instructions should be
>> much more precise.  The project managers should ask for precisely what is
>> needed rather than we'd like everything since when we are imprecise
>> different mappers and validators interpret the instructions differently.
>> Also asking for everything takes away resources from other projects.
>>
>> So HOT activation group can you first inspect the instructions and then
>> confirm with the project managers to see if we can reduce the possibility
>> of different interpretations?  ie keep them as simple as possible.
>>
>> Would it be an idea to go over the "abandoned" projects iethose that have
>> been around for more than a year and see if by reducing the requested
>> instructions we can at least get the highways and the major
>> landuse=residential areas in?
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:08:31 -0700
>> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [HOT] How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>> Message-ID:
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>> A local radio station has agreed to interview me and my co-organizer about
>> our upcoming mapathon and the University of Northern Colorado (US). They
>> will probably want to introduce me in a manner similar to "Next up is Mike
>> with <insert organization name>".  Is it permissible to say "...a
>> volunteer
>> with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" even though I am not formally a
>> member of HOT? How about "... a volunteer with the Missing Maps Project"?
>>
>> Mike
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 07:22:14 +0300
>> From: Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
>> To: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "HOT at OSM \(Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team\)"
>>         <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
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>> Hey Mike, you are with Hot as a community volunteer. Thanks for leading!
>>
>> Heather
>> On 17 Feb 2016 07:10, "Mike Thompson" <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > A local radio station has agreed to interview me and my co-organizer
>> about
>> > our upcoming mapathon and the University of Northern Colorado (US). They
>> > will probably want to introduce me in a manner similar to "Next up is
>> Mike
>> > with <insert organization name>".  Is it permissible to say "...a
>> volunteer
>> > with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" even though I am not formally
>> a
>> > member of HOT? How about "... a volunteer with the Missing Maps
>> Project"?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > HOT mailing list
>> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:24:27 -0700
>> From: Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com>
>> To: Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "HOT at OSM \(Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team\)"
>>         <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] How to identify oneself when promoting a mapathon?
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CALJoUksx93BuzLpqe1YDWhpPy8VWUj0ef1yW0aMwjHXkg_ipDA at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Thanks Heather!
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Mike, you are with Hot as a community volunteer. Thanks for leading!
>> >
>> > Heather
>> > On 17 Feb 2016 07:10, "Mike Thompson" <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A local radio station has agreed to interview me and my co-organizer
>> >> about our upcoming mapathon and the University of Northern Colorado
>> (US).
>> >> They will probably want to introduce me in a manner similar to "Next
>> up is
>> >> Mike with <insert organization name>".  Is it permissible to say "...a
>> >> volunteer with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" even though I am
>> not
>> >> formally a member of HOT? How about "... a volunteer with the Missing
>> Maps
>> >> Project"?
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> HOT mailing list
>> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:08:08 +0300
>> From: Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
>> To: Martin Dittus <martin at dekstop.de>
>> Cc: "HOT at OSM \(Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team\)"
>>         <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] HOT in Research - Casual meetup
>> Message-ID:
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>> Thanks everyone.
>>
>> The HOT Casual Research mumble chat will be on:
>>
>> Wednesday, March 2nd, 2016
>> Timezones: 15:00 UTC/18:00 AST/10:00 EST/07:00 PST/
>>
>> Duration: 1 hour
>>
>>
>> How to join:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble
>>
>> Agenda:
>> Review the Academic Partnership Guide
>> Review Research Topics
>> Coordinate HOT Research Scramble (collect the existing research)
>> Consider future recommendations
>> Thanks
>>
>> Heather
>>
>>
>> Heather Leson
>> heatherleson at gmail.com
>> Twitter: HeatherLeson
>> Blog: textontechs.com
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Martin Dittus <martin at dekstop.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Was just thinking it would be nice to get people closer together!
>> >
>> > Unfortunately that week coincides with CSCW in SF where I’ll present my
>> > first HOT paper :)
>> > http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/l.capra/publications/cscw2016.pdf
>> (that's
>> > work from last summer)
>> >
>> > But considering how hard scheduling always is I’ll simply try my best to
>> > participate from there.
>> >
>> > m.
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 11 Feb 2016, at 16:26, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > HI folks,
>> > >
>> > > There are a few of us keen to see more research on HOT. Last year
>> Robert
>> > Soden spearheaded a discussion at the HOT Summit. The results were
>> tracked
>> > on two wiki pages:
>> > >
>> > > HOT Research Topics
>> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_Research_Topics
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > HOT Academic Partnerships
>> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_Academic_Partnerships
>> > >
>> > > We'd like to meet others keen to talk about research. Add your times
>> by
>> > Wednesday, February 17th and we'll firm up a time for the 1st week in
>> March.
>> > >
>> > > Times listed in UTC/GMT
>> > > http://doodle.com/poll/ct335p8d32zkp37i
>> > >
>> > > Call can be on mumble.
>> > >
>> > > Once we have a time, we'll create a shared doc space for tracking.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Robert and Heather
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Heather Leson
>> > > heatherleson at gmail.com
>> > > Twitter: HeatherLeson
>> > > Blog: textontechs.com
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > HOT mailing list
>> > > HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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