[HOT] Moving the focus to JOSM in mapathons

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sat May 14 21:54:03 UTC 2016


I hang my head in shame.  With remote control enabled it all works fine
except of course my personal preferences in JOSM which are not an the USB
stick.

So that's using PortableApps with portable Firefox, Jportable java and
jportable launcher.  The josm-tested.jar was launched from the USB stick.
The USB stick is showing 613 Mb used but that includes a few other small
files so even quite small USB sticks should work.

Cheerio John

On 14 May 2016 at 16:55, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Did you do F12 and enable Remote Control in the setttings?
>
> Jo
>
> 2016-05-14 22:52 GMT+02:00 john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Which browser did you use?  The browser works fine, JOSM works fine it
>> just when you select the tile in the browser it doesn't get passed through
>> to JOSM.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 14 May 2016 at 16:10, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I did create such sticks several months ago and I didn't have that
>>> issue. It must be network/firewall related.
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>> 2016-05-14 21:28 GMT+02:00 john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I picked up PortableApps from the link and installed it with portable
>>>> Firefox and Jportable.  JOSM runs fine but the link from the HOT tiles
>>>> gives "JOSM remote control did not respond. Do you have JOSM running and
>>>> configured to be controlled remotely?"
>>>>
>>>> I think until we get that resolved the Linux bootable USB stick looks
>>>> favourite.
>>>>
>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>
>>>> On 14 May 2016 at 14:55, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was bitten by an infected download from sourceforge when I
>>>>> downloaded FileZilla a few months ago. It came with an obnoxious "backup"
>>>>> solution that does anything but backup.
>>>>>
>>>>> PortableApps seems to be hosted on their own site though:
>>>>> http://portableapps.com/download
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't have any problems with it and I searched a bit on Google and
>>>>> don't see reports of other people having issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, my preference OS wise, is Linux. The disadvantage of
>>>>> providing JOSM on a stick, either as PortableApps or as a bootable Linux,
>>>>> is that people don't take it home that way, which makes it less likely
>>>>> they'll continue mapping after the Mapathon. As such, kind of defeating the
>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest advantage is that everybody is quickly up to speed during
>>>>> the Mapathon, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the best "compromise" is somebody who goes through the room
>>>>> during the Mapatahon, who proposes to install and set up JOSM on their own
>>>>> computers. So they don't have to take the hurdle of figuring it out for
>>>>> themselves. Not that it's all that hard, but it's time consuming if it
>>>>> needs to be done on many computers with varying OSes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Polyglot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-05-14 20:32 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Enock,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right. Twitch is a bit annoying with all their publicity for
>>>>>> (mostly) wargames. I should do the extra step of exporting the better ones
>>>>>> to Youtube.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is one advantage to Twitch. It works together with OBS (Open
>>>>>> Broadcast Software). All I need to do is activate that and streaming is
>>>>>> automatic, which means that I'm doing it more often, than I would be, if I
>>>>>> had to record, then encode, then upload.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-05-14 19:06 GMT+02:00 Enock Seth Nyamador <kwadzo459 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the videos. Why Twitch? Will be very nice and great on
>>>>>>> the side of some of us if you can use Vimeo or YouTube making easier to
>>>>>>> download.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you say?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Enock
>>>>>>> UMaT, Tarkwa
>>>>>>> enockseth.github.io
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here you can find instructions for install portabableApps on a USB
>>>>>>>> stick:
>>>>>>>> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/java_portable
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then it's not necessary to reboot your computer into Linux. Nor is
>>>>>>>> it necessary to have administrator rights to run Java applications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the use of JOSM for Mapathons. I've been trying to
>>>>>>>> promote that idea for a while now. If you want to learn how to configure
>>>>>>>> JOSM and how to use it to add buildings:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/profile/highlights
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Setting up JOSM:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/35769115
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/35256378
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/35258635
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/35261429
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/35262223
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mapping rectangular buildings:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mapping a halter shaped building:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/34047877
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Advanced mapping of building + complex roundabout:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/33412245
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Validation:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Validation of a task focused on mapping buildings:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/33926879
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/33978956
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Improving accuracy of existing buildings:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/32524089
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Use of JOSM's validator:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/33135797
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mass correction of crossing ways reported by JOSM's validator:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/33197285
>>>>>>>> + check if all is well with todo plugin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fixing duplicate buildings (many of them):
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/35983874
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pasting tags on a changeset (from clipboard):
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/41511097
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Use of improve way accuracy tool (w) on a road in Uganda:
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/43661664
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mapping an archeological site in Kyrghyzstan using Mapillary
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/45658771
>>>>>>>> https://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/v/45661736
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. Feel free to use these videos for learning and
>>>>>>>> teaching purposes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Polyglot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2016-05-14 18:04 GMT+02:00 john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From sardiniaopendata at gmail.com on April 5th 2106
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So it looks doable with the right image on the USB stick.  John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>> Dear HOT Team members
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my name is Claudia and I 'm writing on the behave on an italian
>>>>>>>>> association called SardiniaOpenData. Since 2013  we are involved in free
>>>>>>>>> training and mapping using OSM , related to our urban context and to the
>>>>>>>>> humantarian world as I was deployed in Chad with you guys ( thanks again
>>>>>>>>> for the opportunity ) .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm writing to you because we finally manage to have a small
>>>>>>>>> finanincig to organise a 3 modules course, to trainin citizens to map first
>>>>>>>>> using OSM, secondly how to use  WheelMap   training the
>>>>>>>>> paraplegic associationinCagliari . The second module will be about the
>>>>>>>>> Tasking Manager and how to contribute to the remote mapping.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have planned 2 outside  mapping parties  to collect data and 3
>>>>>>>>> indoor lessons to teach them how does the Tasking works. The
>>>>>>>>> period will be May 2016 . For the first year we manage to have free
>>>>>>>>> materials to offer to ours attendants, expecially a personal  usb card with
>>>>>>>>> a free distribution of Linux ( I think Ubuntu 14.04 lts ) with all the
>>>>>>>>> tools and programs already installed, JOSM,website bookmarks concerning all
>>>>>>>>> the OSM world, WkiOSM, LearnOSM, etc..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We wanted to let you know about our training and to share our
>>>>>>>>> enthusiasm . There will be some blog posts out soon , both in  english and
>>>>>>>>> italian.  If you will like to share it, all the team will be really happy.
>>>>>>>>> If thereis  any specific task you'd like us to help , just let us
>>>>>>>>> know. As I did with the last training , I will spend with great pleasure
>>>>>>>>>  15 minutes talking about the HOT Team and your amazing work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a great day and thaks again !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The most dangerous thing to do is to stand still.“ William
>>>>>>>>> Burroughs *
>>>>>>>>> We keep on moving !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Claudia
>>>>>>>>> Sardinia Open Data
>>>>>>>>> twitter: @sard_opendata"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2016 at 12:00, Enock Seth Nyamador <kwadzo459 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > i had no luck booting my laptop into linux to use linux
>>>>>>>>>> software, but I hear it works for a large % of people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Works in some cases provided java (JRE/JDK) is installed in the
>>>>>>>>>> live boot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since most people come along with their own laptops best solution
>>>>>>>>>> is  USB sticks with JRE and JOSM for various Operating Systems. Very
>>>>>>>>>> practical. Learnt this from Severin Menard. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Enock
>>>>>>>>>> UMaT, Tarkwa
>>>>>>>>>> enockseth.github.io
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Blake Girardot <
>>>>>>>>>> bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about the USB sticks? Those should be on hand so you can
>>>>>>>>>>> boot
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone into a Linux environment with the right java and latest
>>>>>>>>>>> josm if
>>>>>>>>>>> they were curious about josm but did not come expecting to try
>>>>>>>>>>> it or
>>>>>>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i had no luck booting my laptop into linux to use linux
>>>>>>>>>>> software, but
>>>>>>>>>>> I hear it works for a large % of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This would also solve the "we are in a computer lab and can not
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> permission to install java or josm on the machiens" issue as
>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure there is an image somewhere and someone could try and
>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>> just a rough outline of the steps for our more tech savy people
>>>>>>>>>>> to try
>>>>>>>>>>> and replicate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> blake
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 3:39 PM, john whelan <
>>>>>>>>>>> jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > I think if we suggest they download Java before arriving,
>>>>>>>>>>> josm-tested.jar
>>>>>>>>>>> > can be copied for a USB stick or local server ie laptop.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> think that would
>>>>>>>>>>> > save bandwidth and trying to download multiple copies at the
>>>>>>>>>>> same time would
>>>>>>>>>>> > mean delays.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hopefully it works out.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks John
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On 14 May 2016 at 07:11, Pete Masters <
>>>>>>>>>>> pedrito1414 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all, over the past few weeks, some of the validation chat
>>>>>>>>>>> has focused
>>>>>>>>>>> >> on tools (iD / JOSM, generally). We made a decision at this
>>>>>>>>>>> month's London
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Missing Maps mapathon to try and put more of a focus on using
>>>>>>>>>>> JOSM, rather
>>>>>>>>>>> >> than iD. We're not sure how it went yet, but will continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> try and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> develop this in future months.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I have written a quick OSM diary on it, here:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pedrito1414/diary/38604 If
>>>>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>>>>> >> comments, please feel free to leave them there. I am also
>>>>>>>>>>> going to share it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> with new mappers who were involved as they are generally not
>>>>>>>>>>> on this list
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and their thoughts could be interesting...
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pete
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pete Masters
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Missing Maps Project Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>> >> +44 7921 781 518
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> missingmaps.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> @pedrito1414
>>>>>>>>>>> >> @theMissingMaps
>>>>>>>>>>> >> facebook.com/MissingMapsProject
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
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