[HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic, tutorial?

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 3 20:06:14 UTC 2016

I was being lazy and didn't want to search through a hundred tutorials to
find what was needed.  I wanted something fairly quickly to correct someone
who was mapping iD fairly quickly and productively but was making classic
mistakes that JOSM catches.  I gave him some feedback and they seem to have
settled down now.

The written one in French works well, its easy to translate to other
languages.  The mappers I seem to be dealing with first language is not
English, French or Spanish so the videos aren't quite so useful.

Cheerio John

On 3 October 2016 at 15:16, Andrew Wiseman <awiseman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
> There are a number of other tutorial videos here on the HOT Youtube page
> that have subtitles in English, Spanish and some in French:
> https://www.youtube.com/user/hotosm/videos
> Andrew
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 7:17 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The French tutorial is actually very useful.  I'm working in the odd
>> corners of Africa at the moment.  The mappers come from all over the world
>> often working in maperthons.
>> I think my hang up is data quality so I mainly do validation these days.
>> I think in the last week I've tagged over a hundred untagged ways or
>> area=yes, I wouldn't like to say how many highway=road I've retagged in the
>> last week but its in the hundreds.  Highway=road unfortunately is the tag
>> given to GPS tracks that have been converted into a highway where the
>> person who does the conversion doesn't know if there are steps in a
>> footpath or if its a motorway.  As a result many of routing programs will
>> ignore them.
>> Another problem is new mappers not completing a tile then other new
>> mappers coming along behind and copying the first mappers mistakes.
>> Because the tile hasn't been completed even if there is a validator on the
>> project it doesn't get validated or corrected so the problems get
>> compounded.
>> Actually another problem I'm seeing is all the highways within a
>> landuse=residential being tagged highway=residential.  Fine until you
>> realise that the routing software will try to avoid routing traffic down
>> backstreets and suddenly there is no routable path across the town.
>> So in some parts of the map perhaps 30% or more of the work is ignored
>> until its retagged and that's what I'm trying to avoid by finding ways to
>> make JOSM easier to use.
>> Blake's videos are great but unfortunately he speaks with an American
>> accent.  I find it fairly easy to understand but there are people in the
>> world whose first language is English who will have to rewind once or twice
>> to catch the words.  Accents are regional, believe it or not some people
>> even have problems with my English accent.  Looking at the mappers I'm
>> validating the ones with the most problems are those who use English as a
>> second language or even just Bing / Google translate it.  The French
>> tutorial is much more useful for them as they can cut and paste it into
>> Google or Bing translate.
>> On a side note I'm handholding a Statistics Canada project at the moment
>> so any French documentation is very useful to feed back to them.  The
>> project is about adding data to OpenStreetMap then doing some stats on the
>> result.  The cultures at Stats and OSM are very different but its coming
>> along quite nicely albeit a little slower than their project manager would
>> like.
>> Cheerio John
>> On 2 October 2016 at 04:50, Martin Noblecourt <m_noblecourt at cartong.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi John,
>>> We also have similar tutorial in French (I know, not very helpful here,
>>> would it be relevant to translate it?):
>>> http://blog.cartong.org/2014/07/24/tuto-digitaliser-sous-ope
>>> nstreetmap-avec-le-tasking-manager-et-josm-premiers-pas/
>>> Else the video Blake sent is the best we have I think.
>>> Best
>>> Martin
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 06:47:42 +0200
>>> From: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>>> To: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org> <hot at openstreetmap.org> <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic
>>> 	tutorial?
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>>> Hi John,
>>> Far from perfect, but I believe the "JOSM for iD Users" youtube vids
>>> covers most of that (might need one on imagery use in JOSM, hopefully
>>> it comes across though):
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54o5PaKgnbKU-vXe11cSmmsxIYnL5oDU
>>> Feedback from your friend welcome.
>>> Regards,
>>> Blake
>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:19 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > So how to install,  how to add remote control and building_tool plugin, how> to map a square building, a highway and a landuse=residential.  How to> select Bing imagery.>> How to toggle the screen ie use the tab key when you lose the stuff on the> right.>> And finally how to upload.  So setting the token.>> Yes I know about learnOSM but I have a fairly keen mapper who has been told> that JOSM is too complex which is fine except I have to clean up after them> with the crossing ways and highways nearly meeting when they are quite> capable of doing it themselves and I want something basic not how to map a> relationship because that is not what most of the HOT stuff is.>> Thanks John>> _______________________________________________> HOT mailing list> HOT at openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
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