[HOT] [Hot-francophone] Haïti : CNIGS aerial cover / couverture aérienne du CNIGS

Cristiano Giovando cristiano.giovando at hotosm.org
Tue Oct 25 22:07:33 UTC 2016

Hi Pierre,

As you may notice, I did not copy the francophone list on my reply to

With regards to respecting each other and keeping peace, please let me
know if you feel any of my messages are found offensive - that is
certainly not my intention. I reached out for coordination, so it
sounds like we're trying to do the same thing.

To address your moderation concerns of the HOT list, as I suggested,
it would be great if you could help drafting a governance proposal to
discuss with the humanitarian OSM communities.



On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Hi Christiano
> On the hot-francophone list, a few african OSM french collaborators answered
> you saying that they dont understand english and are asking that you stop
> addressing in english HOT messages without translating in french to a french
> list. Since the OSM humanitarian volunteers are following the HOT list, you
> dont need to send to the HOT francophone list.
> The OSM francopohone humanitarian volunteers leading this OSM volunteer
> response, including myself are part of HOT. For many we volunteer since 2010
> and did lead OSM responses for years, developping expertise and relations
> with the international organizations and UN agencies. There are tensions in
> HOT about which projects to favor and about how to deal with volunteers. You
> might not know all the discussions at HOT behind the scene. You should let
> the Board answer on such matters.
> The tradition at OSM is that volunteers an various partners organize various
> projects, exchange, build together this fantastic project that OSM is today.
> This a major activation and the HOT Board should make peace and respect the
> volunteers highly engaged in Activations for years.
> It is indicated on the HOT list
> HOT list run by mikel_maron at yahoo.com, kate.chapman at hotosm.org, mail
> at harrywood.co.uk, bgirardot at gmail.com, heather.leson at hotosm.org
> Could these persons confirm that they are still administrators of the HOT
> list? And please, I am asking you to stop censuring the HOT list. This is
> surely not time for power games in such humanitarian responses. There is 1,4
> million people to help. Crops have been destroyed, water is contaminated and
> cholera is spreading. Some remote villages are struggling to receve help.
> Please let's come back to the tradition of doing some Humanitarian Responses
> with peace and respect.
> Xavier Lamure Tardieu, Presler Jean and Fred Moine are working very hard in
> Haiti. A journalist did describe yesterday how useful are the UAV missions.
> If you want to read and re-tweet.
> https://twitter.com/Ameliebaron/status/790973282635972608
> https://twitter.com/Ameliebaron/status/790588418493251584
> regard
> Pierre
> ________________________________
> De : Cristiano Giovando <cristiano.giovando at hotosm.org>
> À : Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com>
> Cc : talk at openstreetmap.org; "HOT at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Envoyé le : mardi 25 octobre 2016 15h52
> Objet : Re: [HOT] [Hot-francophone] Haïti : CNIGS aerial cover / couverture
> aérienne du CNIGS
> Hi Jean-Guilhem,
> Thanks for making this imagery available. Can you kindly clarify the
> license and the exact geographic footprint? It would also be really
> helpful to have more details about accuracy and whether ground control
> was used in the orthomosaicing process.
> With regards to your messages to the HOT list I believe they are being
> moderated for reasons related to previous conduct. Since this is not
> your first complaint, would you please take the lead to draft a
> proposal for governance of the HOT mailing list?
> As you said, the HOT list is open all humanitarian OSM mapping groups,
> and a proposal on the wiki could be a concrete first step for the
> community to discuss and move forward.
> Here are also some materials that may be helpful or could be referenced:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Code_of_Conduct_(Draft)
> https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md
> Thanks!
> Cristiano
> On Oct 25, 2016 3:29 AM, "Jean-Guilhem Cailton" <jgc at arkemie.com> wrote:
>> (Version en français ci-dessous)
>> Hi,
>> An aerial reference cover of the western end of Tiburon Peninsula has
>> been made available by CNIGS (Centre National de l'Information
>> Géographique et Spatiale), Haiti national mapping agency. It was taken
>> in 2014-2015, with a resolution of 25 cm. It is hosted by OpenStreetMap
>> France. A few tiles and strips are currently missing, due to the
>> difficulty of connections with Haiti.
>> If you are to realign data or images, you should use it as reference.
>> TMS URL for JOSM:
>> tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/haiti_cnigs_2014_2015/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
>> (This same layer was first started with coverage of the areas covered by
>> drones after hurricane Matthew).
>> Best wishes,
>> Jean-Guilhem
>> PS : After some "post-factual" messages, it could be necessary to recall
>> that my messages to the hot at openstreetmap.org mailing list have been
>> delayed and even often completely blocked since more than a year. That
>> is why I also now address them to the Talk list, so that this be visible
>> publically. No justification whatsoever was ever given, in spite of many
>> requests - not even an example of an inappropriate email.
>> My last blocked emails were about drone images after Matthew. By the
>> way, that subject was considered interesting enough by AFP to publish
>> this article by Amélie Baron, that appeared around the World:
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/drones-help-identify-post-hurricane-matthew-needs-haiti-190702633.html
>> These repeated blocks, against OSM lists rules and simple human decency,
>> constitute abuse of entrusted power. And it is certainly not for general
>> interest.
>> Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum
>> -----
>> Bonjour,
>> Une couverture aérienne de référence de l'extrémité ouest de la
>> Péninsule de Tiburon a été rendue disponible par le CNIGS (Centre
>> National de l'Information Géographique et Spatiale), l'institut
>> géographique national haïtien. Elle a été prise en 2014-2015, avec une
>> résolution de 25 cm. Elle est hébergée par OpenStreetMap France.
>> Quelques dalles et bandes manquent pour le moment, en raison des
>> difficultés de connexion avec Haïti.
>> Si vous réalignez des données ou des images, vous devriez l'utiliser
>> comme référence.
>> URL TMS pour JOSM:
>> tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/haiti_cnigs_2014_2015/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
>> (Cette même couche a commencé par contenir une couverture des zones dont
>> des images ont été prises par drone après le cyclone Matthew).
>> Bien cordialement,
>> Jean-Guilhem
>> PS : Après certains messages "post-factuels", il pourrait être
>> nécessaire de rappeler que mes messages à la liste hot at openstreetmap.org
>> sont retardés et même souvent carrément bloqués depuis plus d'un an.
>> C'est pour cela que je les adresse aussi à la liste Talk, pour que ceci
>> soit visible publiquement. Aucune justification n'en a été donnée,
>> malgré de nombreuses demandes - ne serait-ce que par un exemple de
>> courriel inapproprié.
>> Mes derniers courriels bloqués étaient à propos d'images drone après
>> Matthew. Au passage, ce sujet a paru assez intéressant à l'AFP pour
>> publier cet article d'Amélie Baron, repris un peu partout dans le monde
>> :
>> http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/10/24/haiti-des-drones-pour-mieux-identifier-les-besoins-apres-louragan-matthew
>> Ces blocages répétés, contraires aux règles de fonctionnement des listes
>> d'OpenStreetMap, et à la simple décence humaine, constituent un abus
>> d'un pouvoir confié. Et ce n'est certainement pas pour l'intérêt général.
>> Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum
>> --
>> "Corruption is the abuse of entrusted power for private gain."
>> Transparency International
>> https://www.transparency.org/whatwedo/publication/preventing_corruption_in_humanitarian_operations
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hot-francophone mailing list
>> Hot-francophone at openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot-francophone
> _______________________________________________
> HOT mailing list
> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Cristiano Giovando
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
cristiano.giovando at hotosm.org

More information about the HOT mailing list