[HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM
pedrito1414 at googlemail.com
Wed Dec 13 00:06:40 UTC 2017
Apologies for going back to an earlier point, but i think yes there are
examples. The OSM Bangladesh crew, while not without original, local
catalysts, had a resurgence after a HOT project with MSF. While the project
was very successful (and has had impact in terms of medical care in
deprived areas of Dhaka), the really remarkable thing has been what has
happened since, on a local and international scale. The passion of those
individuals, some of whom had their first OSM experiences through HOT has
led to collaborations with local communities, NGOs, businesses (who now
employ OSM mappers), and conversations with local and national government
departments. If anyone can talk to this question it is them.
Plus, on the subject of WAMM, OSM data is now being used in a Ministry of
Health hospital in Sierra Leone to improve surveillance and public health
systems in the area. This is a local, institutional use case.... I have no
idea if any of those mappers have gone on to enrich the map in other ways
from there, but this is a big deal for local health infrastructure.
Do we ask enough and learn enough from those involved in these examples?
Probably not. But, good collaborations are happening. And, I think the
microgrants programme is great. There will be some successes and,
inevitably, some failures in the long term and we should not be complacent
that they are a golden bullet, but I think overall this is a good HOT
I really appreciate this conversation and, personally, think it is a
discussion that needs to be had... I'm glad it's resurfaced.
Ps. Sorry if the email is a bit rambling (it's late and I'm tired)!
On 12 Dec 2017 00:43, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
I accept what you say Ralph but the motorcycle project is being run by an
conventional European or North American NGO. It's organised mapping.
>The result will be a dedicated group in each country that will continue
the work, train more local people and expand the mapping community.
So is there a way to get this message across? Are there examples where
after training they have enriched the map without being directed what to
We've come a long way with the projects and maperthons simplifying and
standardizing improving the training material, and giving feedback so the
standard of mapping for new mappers is considerably higher than it has been
in the past.
The other part is are the locals trusting the map enough to use it for
local government type work?
On 11 December 2017 at 19:31, <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I am not sure what you are trying to say, but to help you understand
> “Microgrants” I can explain some of them to you.
> I am helping the WAMM (West African Motorbike Mappers) who are in Sierra
> Leone. The lead for this was Ivan Gayton from Medicins sans Frontieres and
> Rupert Alan (A regular attendee at The London Missing Maps Mapathons).
> They have supplied equipment and are training local people to travel
> around Sierra Leone (at present they are working their way through the
> Eastern Province and they have completed Kailahun District and almost
> completed Kenema District) visiting every town, village, hamlet and
> isolated dwellings taking gps readings to supply coordinates for the names
> of each of these places, with data such as the presence of a water pump,
> local market and health facilities. They download this information onto a
> spreadsheet and I have been checking their work and adding these names and
> data to OSM. This field work is continuing with local people even though
> Rupert has moved on to Uganda https://africamotorcyclemappin
> refugee-settlements-uganda/ and Ivan is in Tanzania with Rumani Huria.
> Another that I have been involved in is Janet Chapman (also an attendee at
> the London Missing Maps Mapathons) with Crowd2Map in Tanzania where she
> is training the local people to draw the maps themselves and add more
> information and detail with local knowledge. Along with the help of the
> Crowdsource community they have done an amazing job of helping to add to
> the basic infrastructure of Northern Tanzania
> These projects have gained a foothold in very poor areas where technology
> is nowhere near as advanced as you are used to, they have started the
> process and they are quite keen to keep the momentum going. The result will
> be a dedicated group in each country that will continue the work, train
> more local people and expand the mapping community. Even Katmandu Living
> Labs was a small group in the beginning.
> And for your information Rebecca Firth is another one who attended the
> London Missing Maps Mapathons. So Mapathons are a valuable way of finding
> people who are prepared to get more involved and actively improve OSM
> locally and elsewhere and not just about bad mappers. It is well worth the
> effort even though many attendees do not return or even continue mapping.
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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