[HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM

[john whelan]

Can this be packaged up in a format that cynical OSM mappers can absorb?

I'm thinking not glossy with smiling faces but a note in their OSM diary
that we can draw to the attention of OSMWEEKLY.  Possibly through a post on
the osmtalk titled something like "local mapping after HOT"?

Compose it in a word processor first.

ie get the local mapper to tell the tale of how working with HOT / MSF led
to other things.

This I think is worth it's weight in gold and many brownie points.

Thanks John

On 12 Dec 2017 7:06 pm, "Pete Masters" <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Apologies for going back to an earlier point, but i think yes there are
> examples. The OSM Bangladesh crew, while not without original, local
> catalysts, had a resurgence after a HOT project with MSF. While the project
> was very successful (and has had impact in terms of medical care in
> deprived areas of Dhaka), the really remarkable thing has been what has
> happened since, on a local and international scale. The passion of those
> individuals, some of whom had their first OSM experiences through HOT has
> led to collaborations with local communities, NGOs, businesses (who now
> employ OSM mappers), and conversations with local and national government
> departments. If anyone can talk to this question it is them.
>
> Plus, on the subject of WAMM, OSM data is now being used in a Ministry of
> Health hospital in Sierra Leone to improve surveillance and public health
> systems in the area. This is a local, institutional use case.... I have no
> idea if any of those mappers have gone on to enrich the map in other ways
> from there, but this is a big deal for local health infrastructure.
>
> Do we ask enough and learn enough from those involved in these examples?
> Probably not. But, good collaborations are happening. And, I think the
> microgrants programme is great. There will be some successes and,
> inevitably, some failures in the long term and we should not be complacent
> that they are a golden bullet, but I think overall this is a good HOT
> initiative....
>
> I really appreciate this conversation and, personally, think it is a
> discussion that needs to be had... I'm glad it's resurfaced.
>
> Pete
>
> Ps. Sorry if the email is a bit rambling (it's late and I'm tired)!
>
>
> On 12 Dec 2017 00:43, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I accept what you say Ralph but the motorcycle project is being run by an
> conventional European or North American NGO.  It's organised mapping.
>
> >The result will be a dedicated group in each country that will continue
> the work, train more local people and expand the mapping community.
>
> So is there a way to get this message across?  Are there examples where
> after training they have enriched the map without being directed what to
> map?
>
> We've come a long way with the projects and maperthons simplifying and
> standardizing improving the training material, and giving feedback so the
> standard of mapping for new mappers is considerably higher than it has been
> in the past.
>
> The other part is are the locals trusting the map enough to use it for
> local government type work?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 11 December 2017 at 19:31, <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I am not sure what you are trying to say, but to help you understand
>> “Microgrants” I can explain some of them to you.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am helping the WAMM (West African Motorbike Mappers) who are in Sierra
>> Leone. The lead for this was Ivan Gayton from Medicins sans Frontieres and
>> Rupert Alan (A regular attendee at The London Missing Maps Mapathons).
>>
>> https://africamotorcyclemapping.org/category/rupert-allan-consultant/
>>
>>
>>
>> They have supplied equipment and are training local people to travel
>> around Sierra Leone (at present they are working their way through the
>> Eastern Province and they have completed Kailahun District and almost
>> completed Kenema District) visiting every town, village, hamlet and
>> isolated dwellings taking gps readings to supply coordinates for the names
>> of each of these places, with data such as the presence of a water pump,
>> local market and health facilities. They download this information onto a
>> spreadsheet and I have been checking their work and adding these names and
>> data to OSM. This field work is continuing with local people even though
>> Rupert has moved on to Uganda https://africamotorcyclemappin
>> g.org/2017/11/11/exciting-new-job-motorcycle-mapping-refugee
>> -settlements-uganda/ and Ivan is in Tanzania with Rumani Huria.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another that I have been involved in is Janet Chapman (also an attendee
>> at the London Missing Maps Mapathons)  with Crowd2Map  in Tanzania where
>> she is training the local people to draw the maps themselves and add more
>> information and detail with local knowledge. Along with the help of the
>> Crowdsource community they have done an amazing job of helping to add to
>> the basic infrastructure of Northern Tanzania
>> https://crowd2map.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> These projects have gained a foothold in very poor areas where technology
>> is nowhere near as advanced as you are used to, they have started the
>> process and they are quite keen to keep the momentum going. The result will
>> be a dedicated group in each country that will continue the work, train
>> more local people and expand the mapping community. Even Katmandu Living
>> Labs was a small group in the beginning.
>>
>>
>>
>> And for your information Rebecca Firth is another one who attended the
>> London Missing Maps Mapathons. So Mapathons are a valuable way of finding
>> people who are prepared to get more involved and actively improve OSM
>> locally and elsewhere and not just about bad mappers. It is well worth the
>> effort even though many attendees do not return or even continue mapping.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>
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