[Imports] Import der IENC-Kartendaten der Wasser und Schifffahrtsverwaltung des Bundes

[Christian Wegerhoff]

> You should use English language on an international OSM mailing list, this is not talk-de. :)
Please let me know if someone requests to have my post it in English and I will gladly supply the translation.


>The data might look free, but some of the clauses in the AGB might be hard to fulfill by OSM

The AGB http://elwis.de/misc/agb_ienc.html at 4.1 (1) 2./3./5. clearly state the right to 

2. to process, change or rework the data
3. merge them with own or third party data 
5. integrate them into products or applications intended for use by third party including the integration into public networks

It is appropriate to assume, that the author intended to grant the free use of the data. 

4.2.5 and 4.2.8 are typical safeguards referring to common regulations

4.2. 7. aims to the disclosure of the data to third party. It does not match the right to change, integrate and rework the data to a new product. 
I interpret that it applies to the unmodified data and does not apply to new products resulting from a merge, like OSM.

As 4.1 clearly states the right to integrates the data into public networks, it is reasonable to assume that 4.2 does not intend to exclude OSM.


> You should explicitly ask the WSV to provide the data under ODbL or get the permit for import into OSM under the ODbL in writing.
I asked explicitly for the import into OSM and if OSM was known to the WSV. The answer was "Yes, why not. Just accept the AGB when downloading." 
I asked for a short writing, but he did not like that question. He said, he could not send an e-mail to everyone, who wants to use these data.


Regards, Christian


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andre Grueneberg [mailto:andre-osm at grueneberg.de] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2012 00:25
An: imports at openstreetmap.org
Cc: Christian Wegerhoff
Betreff: Re: [Imports] Import der IENC-Kartendaten der Wasser und Schifffahrtsverwaltung des Bundes

Christian Wegerhoff wrote:
> Zur Verwendung in den Gewässerkarten vom Openseamap beabsichtigen wir 
> den Import von Daten aus den IENC-Karten der Wasser und 
> Schifffahrtsverwaltung des Bundes. Dies sind sog. Inland Electronical 
> Nautical Charts im S57-Format.

You should use English language on an international OSM mailing list, this is not talk-de. :)

> Wir importieren Gewässerkarten, die von der Wasser- und 
> Schifffahrtsverwaltung des Bundes veröffentlich werden. Die unter 
> http://elwis.de/misc/agb_ienc.html dokumentierten Nutzungsbedingungen 
> lassen eine Einbindung "in Produkte einschließlich Anwendungen in 
> öffentlich zugänglichen Netzwerken" zu. Sicherheitshalber haben wir 
> uns bei der Wasser und Schifffahrtsverwaltung, in persona Herrn 
> Vetterlein, telefonisch rückversichert, dass die Verwendung zum Import 
> rechtmäßig ist. Dies wurde mit Verweis auf die obigen "Allgemeinen 
> Geschäftsbedingungen (AGB) zur Abgabe von elektronischen 
> Navigationskarten für die Schifffahrt (Inland ENC" bestätigt.

The data might look free, but some of the clauses in the AGB might be hard to fulfill by OSM. Especially clause 4.2 imposes some interesting requirements ...

1. Okay, might be done by putting the information into the Wiki and to the import.

2. Wiki

3. Okay

4. Okay

5. How do you ensure everyone handling OSM data is following the standards of the BSI?

6. Most likely, you're downloading via official channel, so it's fine.

7. I'm not sure whether ODbL is sufficient to legally bind anyone using OSM data to these AGB?

8. How do you bind anyone using OSM to German law?

You should explicitly ask the WSV to provide the data under ODbL or get the permit for import into OSM under the ODbL in writing.

Andre
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