[Imports] Proposed small import of UTA bus stops

Tue Apr 23 18:33:16 UTC 2013

Hi Martijn -

I love the transit info.

Have you tried asking the data owners for exceptions to any of the onerous
terms of their current license?

Thanks, Jeff

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Elliott Plack <elliott.plack at gmail.com>wrote:

> Looks good. I've been pondering a similar import, but the stop location
> data isn't very accurate in my jurisdiction. Many are in the middle of the
> intersection, in a building, or nearby. Do you find that each stop is very
> close to where the actual stop pole/sign is?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I posted the message below to talk-us and imports-us earlier, but after
>> reviewing the import guidelines I thought it appropriate to also post here.
>>
>> It was pointed out to me that I have not followed all the suggested steps
>> outlined on the import guidelines page. Let me just add that I don't intend
>> to go forward with this until I have performed all the steps deemed
>> appropriate for a data import. This is the first time I am attempting an
>> import and I fully intend to get it right. Even if that means that the
>> import won't happen.
>>
>> It was also pointed out to me that it is not clear under what license the
>> original data is being released. While I got verbal confirmation that I can
>> do 'anything I please' with this data, I will seek written confirmation
>> that the data is released under terms that agree with ODbL.
>>
>> More feedback that I have already received:
>> * is_in is considered deprecated, I will likely drop these tags.
>> * Some find/replace operations were too greedy ('Salt Lake is_in:city').
>> * use the modern public transport tagging scheme in addition to bus_stop.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing your feedback.
>>
>> Martijn van Exel
>>
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>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> During the edit-a-thon today I finally got around to working on preparing
>> a relatively small import of bus stop point data for the UTA service area
>> (comprising a half dozen counties along the Utah Wasatch Front). There are
>> ~6450 bus stops in the data I got from my contact at UTA. This data is
>> being released to the public through the Utah GIS data portal [1], but the
>> data I got directly from UTA is more recent (Dec 2012).
>>
>> Data processing consisted of removing empty and irrelevant fields, and
>> sanitizing the fields that are relevant. I kept:
>> COUNTY --> is_in:county
>> CITY --> is_in:city
>> ACCESS --> wheelchair = yes|limited|no
>> BENCH --> bench = yes|no
>> LOCATIONID --> uta:stop_id
>>
>> I checked the existing bus stop data and there are 92 existing nodes. I
>> have saved these as an OSM file and intend to manually conflate these after
>> the fact. This will mean most existing bus stop nodes will be removed, I
>> spot checked a dozen and so far did not find a any added value. There are a
>> few non-UTA stops (Airport parking lot shuttle stops etc) that will be
>> retained.
>>
>> The source data I received can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/*
>> *tyxdhf9hlpuc9z8/BusStops_UTA_**shp.zip<https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyxdhf9hlpuc9z8/BusStops_UTA_shp.zip>
>>
>> The processed data can be found in OSM XML format here:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/**v3c0tsgfhlc6izx/busstops_uta.**osm<https://www.dropbox.com/s/v3c0tsgfhlc6izx/busstops_uta.osm>
>>
>> Future updates will be handled using the persistent uta:stop_id. A new
>> stops file is released around once a year.
>>
>> Light rail stops are captured in a separate dataset that I do not intend
>> to  import, as these stops and stations are mostly already captured in
>> greater detail in OSM.
>>
>> I am running this by all of you because I have not really done any
>> external data imports before. This is a relatively small one, but I would
>> like your opinion on the following:
>>
>> * Is this data import properly prepared?
>> * If not, which steps should I revisit / add and how?
>> * Do you recommend using a separate account for uploading the external
>> data?
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedback.
>> Martijn
>>
>> [1] http://gis.utah.gov/data/sgid-**transportation/transit/<http://gis.utah.gov/data/sgid-transportation/transit/>
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