[Imports] edit import guideline wiki page

Johan C osmned at gmail.com
Thu Nov 7 20:32:12 UTC 2013


>> "OpenStreetMap is all about building a great map by attracting a large
>> community of mappers. While data imports can help with improving
>> coverage rapidly,
>> [
http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/2009/09/imports-and-the-community/
>> simulations] suggest that imported data can cause problems with the
>> growth of a community. It's actually far more important to go out and
>> run lots of [[mapping parties]], get lots of publicity out there, and
>> get local people on the ground."

> This has nothing to do with the import policy. The document already
> mentions several times that there are/were problems, and that some
> areas will not allow them, etc. At least in the US, I don't think this
> paragraph fits our current attitude on imports.

> This is a separate conversation. Put it back in, and we can argue
> about it later.

I tend to agree with Jason, except for the last sentence. The (maybe)
number 1 import country in OSM, The Netherlands, is not doing too bad in
this list: http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries
This decade open data is increasingly becoming available. Though I can't
prove it, one might say that it's the mere availability of open data, even
when it's not imported, which causes mappers not to map that data. This way
open data could be seen as a threat to OSM. On the other hand, if open data
could be used in apps and other nice stuff for the benefit of people, OSM
might be used more. That way open data can be seen as an opportunity to OSM.

Cheers, Johan



2013/11/7 Jason Remillard <remillard.jason at gmail.com>

> Hi Frederik,
>
> Thank you for reviewing it. Honestly, I am very encouraged that these
> two items are the only issues you had. I expected you to be a tough
> critic :-)
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 07.11.2013 02:31, Jason Remillard wrote:
> >> I just made the changes.
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
> >> Let me know what you think...
> >
> > The page now opens with
> >
> > "If you think your city/county/state/country government, a non-profit,
> > or some other organization or person has great data that could be used
> > to improve the quality of OpenStreetMap, you've come to the right place!"
>
> This was in the text before, I moved it to the top. The first sentence
> should say what the page is about.  Rather than killing, perhaps you
> can have a crack at rewrite it.
>
> >
> > I certainly feel that, as an *opening* sentence, this is too welcoming.
> > It almost sounds as if we are soliciting imports which we certainly
> > aren't. This part of your edit certainly doesn't have my agreement.
> >
> > Neither does the fact that you have, also silently as far as I can see,
> > dropped the paragraph
> >
> > "OpenStreetMap is all about building a great map by attracting a large
> > community of mappers. While data imports can help with improving
> > coverage rapidly,
> > [
> http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/2009/09/imports-and-the-community/
> > simulations] suggest that imported data can cause problems with the
> > growth of a community. It's actually far more important to go out and
> > run lots of [[mapping parties]], get lots of publicity out there, and
> > get local people on the ground."
>
> This has nothing to do with the import policy. The document already
> mentions several times that there are/were problems, and that some
> areas will not allow them, etc. At least in the US, I don't think this
> paragraph fits our current attitude on imports.
>
> This is a separate conversation. Put it back in, and we can argue
> about it later.
>
> Thanks
> Jason.
>
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