[Imports] Slovenia - Landuse import questions

[Stefan Baebler]

Intensive commercial production of fruit berries, nuts... could be both:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation#Orchards
landuse=plantation
or
landuse=orchard
+ new intensivity tag (eg orchard=intensive or orchard_intensive=yes or ...)
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=orchard#values

plantation seems better fit, but is not used much.
orchard is establihed, but orchard intensivity would be new.

so, I'm still divided regarding orchards.

Hop fields are primarily larger fields areas, that don't fit with the
"garden" tag (the minimum in the source is 500 m2)
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=hop_field would be new, no
prior use so far
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=hop_garden has only 50 uses
and it's status is not approved yet
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=hop seems more widely used, with
670+ instances
Still leaning strongly towards established landuse=farmland + crop=hop
(winter renderings can add poles and wires if needed from this info)

greets,
Štefan

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Sander Deryckere <sanderd17 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Orchards are more for trees and shrubs AFAIK.
>
> While hop plants are something special. Hop plants completely disappear in
> the winter, only the roots remain. But they grow bigger every next summer
> (hop can grow at a rate of 10cm per day).
>
> Here you see a summer hop garden:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lina_%28Neustadt_Donau%292.jpg
> And the same in the winter:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lina_Neustadt_Do.JPG
>
> Because of the lack of plants in the winter, I doubt that it would
> classify as an orchard.
>
> The correct term for it would be a hop garden or a hop field, which could
> be tagged in several ways.
>
> * landuse=farmfield + crop=hop (may be strange due to the more or less
> permanent poles and wires visible on hop fields)
> * landuse=hop_garden
> * landuse=hop_field
>
> Since landuse=hop_garden seems to be used more, I'd go with that.
>
> Regards,
> Sander
>
>
> 2014-12-12 13:00 GMT+01:00 Pavel Machek <pavel at ucw.cz>:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> > Glen, thank you for sharing your experience!
>> >
>> > Yes, we did spend sime time already figuring out the proper tags and
>> were
>> > wondering if we should continue with refining details (pointless if the
>> > features would not be imported).
>> >
>> > I am familiar with produce/trees/crop/species sub tags and we do plan to
>> > preserve this info where present (olive trees, hop garden, vine plant
>> > nursery...). The unresolved issue is that source contains 2 types of
>> > orchards:
>> > - id=1222: domestic, garden-like, non-dense, with few older, not
>> purposely
>> > planted, but casually taken care-of various fruit trees around houses
>> and
>> > - id=1221: intensively cared for, larger areas of young, regularly
>> pruned
>> > trees of same species planted in rows after rows. Includes fruit,
>> berries
>> > and nuts
>> > I was conidering landuse=plantation for the later one, but that tag is
>> not
>> > widely used, nor documented well. Is there an established
>> > alternative?
>>
>> It seems both are orchards, so they should be marked as such, and
>> further specify orchard type with additional tag...
>>
>> Like orchard_intensive=yes/no?
>>
>>
>> Pavel
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