[Moderation] How goes?

[Peter Miller]

On 4 Nov 2009, at 17:33, Someoneelse wrote:

> Peter Miller wrote:
>> People are continuing to spot vandalism and funny edits around the
>> world - See this post on talk-gb today.[a1]
>
> ...
>
>> [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2009-November/004942.html
>
> Near me at least, there are now lots more mappers, and they seem to be
> doing the stuff that I don't do a good job of (urban stuff,  
> cycleways),
> and making a good job of it, so there isn't really much to complain  
> about.
>
> There is still (as of mid-Oct) one series of "sub-optimal edits" being
> made, but often these just seem to be poor quality edits than anything
> worse.  For example, there are ways 42204386, 42204406 and  
> 42204409.  As
> well as not been drawn very accurately (e.g. residential roads don't
> join any others when zoomed in) these are actually also exact
> duplicates.  I've not tried to fix anything here because frankly the
> whole area needs someone to walk around it with a GPS, but there are
> many similar places nearer home that also need doing first!  Some  
> people
> are having a go at tidying some of these issues (to whom I say  
> thanks!),
> but after one depressing evening hunting road signs in Mansfield I  
> gave
> up on that idea.
>
> I've looked through the series of changesets associated with those  
> ways
> and most of it's either "new stuff that could probably do to be drawn
> better" or changes from e.g. Tertiary to Unclassified that are  
> arguable
> either way.  Another example is way 40980006 - it is probably wrong  
> (it
> doesn't agree with the Yahoo background) but again really needs  
> someone
> on the ground to check it.

I find that it is sometimes difficult to see what someone has been  
doing. Here is a recent changeset in my area[1]. Lots of changes (271  
nodes, 69 ways and 2 relations). In this case I do know the editor and  
I am sure it is good stuff, but I can't easily get any idea what he  
did. I can use OSM Mapper to see where about the ways are, but I can't  
see what sort of changes were made to them.

>
>
>> Would it be worth reviewing what moderation tools under development
>> or already available
>
> In this case the user edits tab and ITOWorld's OSM Mapper (again, for
> which - thanks!) are enough to show what's happening, but the reason  
> why
> things haven't been fixed is that often it's not obvious what to fix
> stuff _to_.

I am glad you like it! As you may of noticed we have done work on it  
recently to speed up the import which had got very long indeed (>48  
hours) and we have another speedup in progress which should be  
available within the next few weeks which will reduce the delay to <8  
hours. Our top priority after that will be to monitor nodes as well as  
ways.

This thread seems to be indicating that it will be down to 3rd parties  
such as ITO and Geofabrik and others who care to do so to put stuff  
necessary moderation stuff together.

Should we start sketching out a wish list of what we really need to be  
able to nail malicious edits and then divide out the implementation?

ITO are happy to be able to offer support services to OSM and would  
certainly consider doing another round of serious work but only with  
the support of the community in a space where we are not competing  
with others and trying to solve the same problem.

Comments welcome.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2989995



Regards,


Peter




>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moderation mailing list
> Moderation at openstreetmap.org
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/moderation