[Osmf-talk] Cloudmade and OSMF
Emilio Anzon
emilio at anzon.it
Fri Aug 21 14:00:43 UTC 2009
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 02:19:59PM +0200, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote:
> While I have not the least doubt about the positive way all
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> Cloudmade OSMF members DO contribute to OSM
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> and to free GEODATA for all, the mere fact that there seems to
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> be a conflict of interest between any OSMF board member
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> and any company has shown to be a time bomb
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> under our successful cooperation.
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hi,
plese can you show me "when" exploded the bomb ?
and the horrible effects ?
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> Large organizations need strict rules, and need to obey its own rules.
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i never liked "strict" rules about people - we are not machines
> And OSM is quickly becoming a large organization, and without
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> a decent structure will quickly desintegrate into a large battle of
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> stupid amateurs.
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"stupid amateurs" !!
are you talking with me ?! :P (quoted)
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>
> So I think that the things that have happened, showed the inexperience of
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> "our leaders" with democracy and transparency.
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i do not think so, maybe of diplomacy but not for sure of democracy!
> Signing up a lot of members with a similar background a few hours
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> before elections gives a strong taste of manipulation, true or not,
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> and those responsible for that should realize how much harm that
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> has done.
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that's true if and only if you think maliciously.
in any case the people to elect are 7 and candidates are 9
so i do not think anyone can manipulate it a lot ;)
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> Essential democracy is not learned at school, and examples of
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> wrong-doing show up in the newspapers all day. If one does not
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> want to learn from that, well ultimately that will destroy
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> OSM as an international cooperative organization.
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<kidding>
did not you watch "citizen Kane"
</kidding>
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> We all owe respect and do admire the energy and efforts
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> made by Steve and other Cloudmade employees in the past and today.
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> But those who founded OSM are not necessarily the best men to
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> sustain and manage future OSM.
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I can agree but they also showed to be not so bad, even.
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> Frederic has put the finger on a sore spot, and that hurts.
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> While he might have drawn his conclusions too quickly, or at least wrote
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> them down too "agressively" is true.
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> The reaction of Steve however, is even more aggressive and personal, and witnesses a
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> profound lack of diplomatic skills. Something we may demand from
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> the board's chairman.
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i agree
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> Therefore I want to suggest the new board creates a number of
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> rules to guarantee transparency and decoupling of interests.
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>
too many rules are bad
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> One of these rules MUST be that no (commercial) party will have more
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> than 1 (voting) position at the BOARD or any other official part of OSM.
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impossible!
we are no kids and anyone can have some commercial interests bound
somehow to OSM. and it's not bad.
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> Other rules for example should guarantee that all OSM nations will be represented
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> in the foundations board (not that every country needs a representative),
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how ?
> and that personal membership may not be extended more than 2 terms.
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in thet case we really need NEW people that want to spend time for free
and it's not that easy because we are no kids anymore :(
even if they do not do their "job" good I thank them for the energy they
spent.
I can give advices but not for sure shall tell them they are doing bad
IF I am not ready to propose ME instead of them!
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> Gert Gremmen
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and please try to quote and reply better in a list!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#How_much_to_trim
\Emilio
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E' ricercando l'impossibile che l'uomo ha sempre realizzato il possibile.
Coloro che si sono saggiamente limitati a cio' che appariva loro come
possibile, non hanno mai avanzato di un solo passo.
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