[Osmf-talk] "ArcGIS supports Openstreetmap"
mikel_maron at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 13 07:23:23 UTC 2010
ESRI has expressed serious interest in OSM following the Haiti earthquake
response. I first saw public announcement of this at Where 2.0 this year ...
causing a minor bruhaha due to use of OSM images in their display, without
attribution :). Many response agencies use ESRI, and were using OSM data in
their map production. The ArcGIS 10 editor seems like an excellent technical way
to expand contributions to our community.
In my discussions with ESRI representatives, they've been genuinely interested
to engage, and several have posted on this list and others. That doesn't mean
they always get all the many facets of our community. I've emphasized that they
should make special effort to explain both the technical and the cultural
aspects of OSM to users of the editor, and provide as many in-roads to
participating in the community as possible.
There's also inclusion of OSM base map tile option on ArcGIS Online. Here, I've
expressed to them that they should be careful using these tiles, and perhaps set
up some infrastructure themselves, and I made several recommendations. So far,
usage hasn't been significant, so there's been no threat of having to cut off
tile access to them. This discussion hasn't gone any further.
Contributions by large users to OSMF hasn't been done in any coordinated way.
The most focused time is with SotM, and you'll actually see most of the big
users are sponsoring. It would be wise to consider a broader fundraising
strategy here ... I see that as part of the work of the (quiet for now, but not
for long) Strategic Working Group.
== Mikel Maron ==
+254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron
From: Sam Larsen <samlarsen1 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: jo at frot.org
Cc: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 3:30:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] "ArcGIS supports Openstreetmap"
> > As long as ESRI are not going around actively trying to destroy the project
> > (which i don't really think they could do anyway), then the old anti-ESRI
> > argument is not really worth discussion on this list.
> It was not my intention to trip any anti-ESRI switch. ESRI does what it
>collectively does. I was amazed to see OSM support in ArcGIS10 circulating on
>"Twitter". I don't know anyone at ESRI, i have never in my life used a piece of
>ESRI software, etc etc. I have no idea what they could donate or promote in
>kind, instead of money - a number of network nodes on a Cassandra network, for
>example - http://cassandra.apache.org/ - or support for a pilot project with
>open national mapping data.
Jo, my name is Sam Larsen. I am from ESRI (UK) - nice to meet you. I think the
impact of traditional GIS software suppliers like ESRI will be in exposing a
large number of GIS users who have very little contact with open source &
collective works to the world of OSM. These users may not have a lot of
knowledge of the open source world, but many will have a lot of experience in
GIS. How involved they get really remains to be seen. I feel as protective of
the project as many others and do worry about large companies charging in,
however, i feel that in the spirit of openness (which is really what we are all
about) we should embrace all those who show an interest in OSM. I think we are
strong enough as a community to withstand 'commercial influence' (ignoring
current license debate ;)
> This could be a sharp kind of double-edged sword.
Any number of current happenings in OSM could turn out to be a sharp kind of
double-edged sword (including current license debate ;).
> But the alternative appears to be the OSM Foundation scraping around for
>support for hosting, while commercially exploiting entities create millions of
>measured value in venture capital. And i don't understand that...
If what you are trying to say is that you feel uneasy with ESRI services
consuming large numbers of map tiles - then raise the issue in plain english and
we can have a doalogue with ESRI & those who make decisions regarding the fair
usage policy. I am pushing for more hosted services from ESRI (who certainly
have the capability to do that), however, i am not the MD, so these things may
take longer than I might like.
I really don't care what other people are doing, who is earning what & who is
creating what - as long as we are enjoying what we are doing. Frankly, if
someone creates something worth a lot of money and sells it - that's great, for
me, that is what it's all about; getting past all the restrictions of data so we
can get on with creating valuable uses for our data. Is it open or not?
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