[Osmf-talk] Financing the OSMF

Harry Wood mail at harrywood.co.uk
Tue Aug 27 15:21:25 UTC 2013

Oleksiy you seem to be on a different wavelength to everyone else. Why are you talking about buying a conference centre building in Geneva? I can only imagine you're making this suggestion in the spirit of "thinking outside the box". I mean it would be lovely obviously, but are you just speculating about what we would spend OSMF money on if we were swimming in it?

There are plans to ramp up our spending in some areas. Some people advocate *significantly* ramping up our spending by hiring a team of people to work for the OSMF. Even if we were to go that route (hotly disputed whether this is a sensible course for OSMF)  I think we can look at what the wikimedia foundation have:  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_offices based on $20million in donations last year, and (forgive me for sounding unambitious) I think we can say we won't be exceeding that, so buying a conference centre in Geneva really isn't going to happen.

I do think it's useful to compare with wikimedia foundation on a number of things. They're very similar to OpenStreetMap in that they've got a massive community of contributors with levels of dedication forming a long tail shape, and dedicated volunteers taking on a range of responsibilities. It's far more relevant as a comparison than a hand-gliding/biking clubs or the LA marathon. But I'm not saying we need to copy wikimedia. They manage to raise all that money (*loads* more money than us) without showing corporate logos on their site but they're also burning through it, mainly with salaries I guess. And they do have quite ugly nagging banners for their donation drives. If we can pick a clever path which lets us raise *big* money the way wikimedia does, without such a large team of paid people I think there's a sweet spot we need to find there somewhere.

Harry Wood

----- Original Message -----
From: Oleksiy Muzalyev <oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch>
To: Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>; "osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org" <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 14:46
Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Financing the OSMF

Hello Kate,

I am mapping Geneva addressable via surveys with "OsmPad" for "iPhone"
and bicycle on weekends.

As I already wrote I saw that the humanitarian organizations and UN
agencies do have buildings with clear signs in Geneva.

It seems to be a part of being significant in this field.

What I meant is a 2-3 story office building. Since the "Humanitarian
OpenStreetMap" is working with the "OpenStreetMap", why not to share a
building too?

There could be two signs "OpenStreetMap Foundation" and "Humanitarian
OpenStreetMap Team" on this building. Plus a Donation Recognition Plaque
on the wall: "This building was purchased for the "OpenStreetMap
Foundation" and "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team" by the "N... Corporation".

In this case your colleagues would be able not only visit humanitarian
organizations and UN agencies in Geneva, but receive return visits from
these organizations, conduct conferences in the building's conference
hall, training, etc.

In any case I will continue mapping Geneva addressable and at the same
time will look for a suitable building.

When there is a building, a price, a consensus, then a solid business
proposal could be presented to potential donors.


On 27.08.2013 14:54, Kate Chapman wrote:
> Hi Oleksiy,
> I'm the Executive Director of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. We
> are not funded by the OSMF, we are a US based/tax exempt non-profit
> and obtain our funding primarily from project work. The cost of having
> a building, would far exceed our yearly operating budget. Members of
> HOT do visit Geneva and meet with some of those organizations, though
> we primarily train their field staff in the countries we and those
> organizations work. The field staff working on the ground where they
> have a need for detailed map data are the types of individuals where
> we focus our efforts.
> Best,
> -Kate

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