[Osmf-talk] Losing faith
Rafael Avila Coya
ravilacoya at gmail.com
Tue Jan 15 23:43:49 UTC 2013
On 16/01/13 00:08, Ivo Stankov wrote:
> I am fairly new to OSM (since August 2012) and very new as an OSMF
> member (this is virtually the first thread I am seeing since
> enthusiastically joining a month ago).
> None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say anything to
> me and everything I know about Steve comes from the contents of his
> Wikipedia entry. What I want to say with this is, I know none of you
> personally and have no knowledge of prior politics and feuds amongst you.
> As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just too much
> drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm resigning!",
> "Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend how much creative
> energy is lost for such a petty ego fight?! Quite disappointing.
> From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the whole
> thing boils down to two questions:
> 1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF, dealing only
> with official announcements?
> From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are playful,
> some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is the way it should be.
> 2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and
> definitely the most well known face of OSM from the point of view of the
> broad public, to be sensible enough to write tweets from @openstreetmap
> that are beneficial for OSM and not partisan or potentially questionable?
> I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be a given.
> If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the tweet
> is even visible to the outside users, is quite a good idea.
> - Ivo
> On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:
>> Yea, for real.
>> Doesn't http://grouptweet.com/ solve the problem?
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>> *From:* "toffehoff at gmail.com" <toffehoff at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com>
>> *Cc:* osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith
>> Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not really helping
>> the discussion.
>> Will the person without sin please throw the first stone.
>> Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive tone and clean
>> of personal attacks ….
>> Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com
>> <mailto:steve at asklater.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>> > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org
>> <mailto:frederik at remote.org>> wrote:
>> >> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the towel; I felt the
>> same when Emilie resigned in 2011, and I think it is mostly due to
>> both being at the receiving end of what I would call bullying. I
>> don't yet know how to achieve that but it is pretty clear to me
>> that OSMF won't go anywhere if we don't manage to get rid of that
>> > I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting obscenities at
>> people, Fred. Maybe you could start there.
>> > I think it's inappropriate to make these allusions when you know
>> that there are mails on board@ nobody is seeing and you were not
>> there in prior meetings when Emilie resigned, either.
>> > Steve
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