[Osmf-talk] Losing faith

Jonathan bigfatfrog67 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 15 23:30:54 UTC 2013


+1
On 15/01/2013 23:08, Ivo Stankov wrote:
> I am fairly new to OSM (since August 2012) and very new as an OSMF 
> member (this is virtually the first thread I am seeing since 
> enthusiastically joining a month ago).
>
> None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say anything 
> to me and everything I know about Steve comes from the contents of his 
> Wikipedia entry. What I want to say with this is, I know none of you 
> personally and have no knowledge of prior politics and feuds amongst you.
>
> As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just too much 
> drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm resigning!", 
> "Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend how much creative 
> energy is lost for such a petty ego fight?! Quite disappointing.
>
> From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the whole 
> thing boils down to two questions:
> 1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF, dealing 
> only with official announcements?
>     From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are 
> playful, some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is the way 
> it should be.
> 2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and 
> definitely the most well known face of OSM from the point of view of 
> the broad public, to be sensible enough to write tweets from 
> @openstreetmap that are beneficial for OSM and not partisan or 
> potentially questionable?
>      I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be a given.
>
> If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the tweet 
> is even visible to the outside users, is quite a good idea.
>
> - Ivo
>
>
> On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:
>> Yea, for real.
>>
>> Doesn't http://grouptweet.com/ solve the problem?
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:* "toffehoff at gmail.com" <toffehoff at gmail.com>
>>     *To:* Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com>
>>     *Cc:* osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith
>>
>>     Guys,
>>
>>     Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not really helping
>>     the discussion.
>>
>>     Will the person without sin please throw the first stone.
>>
>>     Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive tone and clean
>>     of personal attacks ....
>>
>>     Henk
>>
>>
>>
>>     Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com
>>     <mailto:steve at asklater.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>     >
>>     > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org
>>     <mailto:frederik at remote.org>> wrote:
>>     >> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the towel; I felt the
>>     same when Emilie resigned in 2011, and I think it is mostly due
>>     to both being at the receiving end of what I would call bullying.
>>     I don't yet know how to achieve that but it is pretty clear to me
>>     that OSMF won't go anywhere if we don't manage to get rid of that
>>     problem.
>>     >
>>     > I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting obscenities at
>>     people, Fred. Maybe you could start there.
>>     >
>>     > I think it's inappropriate to make these allusions when you
>>     know that there are mails on board@ nobody is seeing and you were
>>     not there in prior meetings when Emilie resigned, either.
>>     >
>>     > Steve
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