[Osmf-talk] Reaching out and diversity (Was: Re: AGM and board elections)

Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org
Fri Oct 3 07:32:54 UTC 2014


This is a tangent, but I'd like to chime in on the brothel issue. 

Like most social movements, feminism is slightly fuzzy at some edges, and there are disagreements. One is about sex work. Some think it should be illegal/socially restricted for feminist reasons. SOME ("sex positive") think it should be legal / just as socially accepted as any job, also for feminist reasons. To say all feminist are opposed to sex work is misleading.

Here's a slightly NSFW comic on the topic: 
http://www.robot-hugs.com/strip/

So, some feminists (like me) think removing the brothel preset would be wrong. 

Rory

On 30 September 2014 12:42:39 CEST, Derick Rethans <osm at derickrethans.nl> wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Andy Allan wrote:
>
>> On 29 September 2014 11:03, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
>wrote:
>> 
>> > If anyone in this thread truly finds that the lack of certain 
>> > presets in JOSM is a problem, add them instead of writing a blog 
>> > article or Twitter message or conference talk about how everything 
>> > is just so wrong.
>> 
>> I understand that you are well meaning here - OSM is built on 
>> contributions, and you are trying to encourage contribution rather 
>> than just commentary. Without contributions, we are nothing. But the 
>> answer to these problems can't simply be "supply patches or be
>quiet", 
>> since that only allows a small group to contribute. Instead we should
>
>> encourage a wide range of contributions, by explaining how and where 
>> JOSM is developed, or describing how to create presets on the 
>> preset-wiki system, or showing how to create an issue to ask for
>other 
>> people to create presets, and so on. You or I can happily grab some 
>> unfamiliar software, poke around with it and bash out a patch a few 
>> hours later, but to demand a patch is not encouraging contribution,
>it 
>> is actually just acting as a barrier.
>
>So yeah, I can (often) also grab a piece of code and start hacking on 
>it. And as per Frederik's suggestion I spent about half an hour trying 
>to figure our how to do this for JOSM's presets. A bit of a barrier,
>but 
>one that I can overcome.
>
>I created two patches:
>
>- #10568: [PATCH] Remove from default presets, amenities that objectify
>(mostly) women
>- #10569: [PATCH] Add childcare preset
>
>I have to admit, the first one was probably a bit of a provocation, the
>
>second one adding presets from a tagging proposal.
>
>I somehow knew what the reply to the first one would be - just as I
>would expect from a male privilege point of view.
>
>It was simply:
>
>	"This is no political correctness club."
>
>*Now* we're talking about barriers. 
>
>This is my first interaction with the JOSM developers. Instead of 
>engaging with me why I thought this was a good patch, they throw this 
>into my face. How likely do you think people with less of a thick skin 
>would react? Right, they just won't bother anymore. I am not going to 
>give up though.
>
>cheers,
>Derick
>
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