[Osmf-talk] HOT discontent - what can we learn?

Dominic Davis-Foster dom1310df at googlemail.com
Mon Nov 30 20:27:40 UTC 2015


You have put into words my sentiments.

Dominic Davis-Foster MRI

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On 30 November 2015 at 18:41, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>    I must admit (as a non-Hottie) that the recent messages here were a
> bit too detailed for me to digest. I am pretty sure HOT have their fair
> number of skeletons in the cupboard, as will any organisation of a given
> age and size, and I can't be bothered to retrace years of discussions in
> the organisation. I also know that wherever people do something
> together, there will be discontent, and the fact that there is
> discontent doesn't necessarily mean that something has been done wrong.
> (I do sense a rather authoritarian attempt at getting rid of critical
> voices. Sometimes it is not the presence of discontent, but how it is
> handled that tells you something about an organisation. But then again
> some critical voices can be so unreasonable that kicking them out is the
> only feasible option. I simply lack the HOT insight to judge.)
> This is not a list to debate the shortcomings of HOT (unless they were
> so grave that we must stop them from using our name and database). This
> is a list about the OSM Foundation.
> What I can clearly see and what is relevant for us on this list:
> * Some people are very unhappy with how HOT is being run;
> * some people with a HOT background are standing for OSMF board.
> So I would like to know from those who are unhappy with how HOT is being
> run: What are dangers do you see for OSMF? In your eyes, what are the
> strategic steps that the HOT organisation has taken and that you feel
> OSMF should not take because it would be detrimental?
> I'm trying to get away from "do not vote for X because they are with
> HOT" here. Skeletons in the closet or not, it is always interesting to
> learn from others how they solved certain issues in another
> organisation. It'd like to hear from those who are dissatisfied with HOT
> (or disenfranchised?) - what should OSMF *not* learn from HOT?
> Bye
> Frederik
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