[Osmf-talk] There are no HOT board positions. Request for a productive relationship (was: Orwell was right)
mapanauta at gmail.com
Sun Dec 10 00:11:22 UTC 2017
Hi OSM team,
I said team because I believe what it is relevant for all the people who
has been involved in the discussions is to keep having a great OSM global
project. Unfortunately, I haven’t had the chance to read all the e-mail
threads and I am not familiar with the problems between HOT organization
and some of the OSM members in the past. My personal experience with HOT is
having a 24/7 support in the mapping coordination of the Mexico
earthquakes, of course always with the great help of non HOT members.
Probably it will be good to have the points/complaints/answers in a wiki so
people can judge with their own criteria what happened in the past and
learn from that experience to build a new present and future collaboration.
Now that we have Heather as new board member and Paul as a returning what I
can see is that Heather has the biggest weight on her shoulders, no one in
the history of the board will be as questioned as her, every step she takes
will be reviewed under the microscope so I am confident she will do a great
job. If that is not the case, the answer is very simple, we have a
democratic process and we can raise or hands for results and not vote in
future elections for candidates who didn’t achieve what they committed to,
either if that is Heather, Paul or any other candidate coming from the
I wish success to the elected members,
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> the elections are over, and we welcome Heather as a new member of the
> OSMF board of directors, and Paul as a returning member.
> As has always been the case, and as I wrote in a very early response in
> this thread, all board members are legally required to work for the
> goals of the OSMF, and nothing else.[*]
> On 09.12.2017 19:20, Milo van der Linden wrote:
> > If I can, I will prevent any HOT inc board position with OSM.
> There are no "HOT Inc board positions" in the OSMF board, just as there
> are no Mapbox or Telenav positions, no German or American positions, no
> male or female positions. While their different backgrounds can give
> board members different perspectives on how to serve the OSMF best, the
> OSMF board is not a parliament in which different people represent
> "their" constituency.
> Perhaps we can draw a line under this unfortunate discussion, and agree
> on this: The board will continue on its path of transparency, so that
> everyone can see what we're doing. The members will watch what we're
> doing, and offer feedback whenever they think that we're falling short
> of expectations. (Feedback when we're doing good is also welcome, of
> In the run-up to this election, even though there's been some
> mud-slinging that could have been avoided, I was positively surprised by
> just how many active participants there are on this list, who were
> willing to invest the time to read through long discussions and share
> their opinion.
> I would very much like to see every one of you not bury their heads into
> the sand until three weeks before the next election, but instead help
> the OSMF board by - even if just occasionally - listening in to our
> board meetings or reading the meeting minutes, and commenting on our
> work and asking questions where things are unclear.
> You are the OSMF; the board is just running things on your behalf in the
> time between two AGMs. Your participation in the OSMF is not limited to
> voting for board members; transparency is there so that you don't have
> to blindly trust us.
> If you ever believe that the OSMF board is bowing to any particular
> interest other than what's best for the project and the OSMF - that's
> the moment where a discussion should start.
> Don't look at individual board members and their backgrounds - look at
> what the board is doing, and judge us on that.
> [*] While they have the OSMF board hat on, at least!
> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik at remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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Saludos y gracias,
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