[Osmf-talk] Dale Kunce (OSM, OSMF and HOT US Inc president) on [OSMF] mailing list: "a viper pit of racism and misogyny"; a statement which minimally calls for answers and facts

Scott Davies mr.scott.davies at gmail.com
Tue Dec 19 19:38:56 UTC 2017

Christoph, can I ask why you posted this tweet that you "randomly ran into"
in the first place? It was posted in another forum. It was a general
comment that didn't target anyone in particular. It seems to me that
posting it here has just caused unnecessary conflict. And what standard of
conduct would you wish Dale's words to be judged against, exactly?


On 19 Dec 2017 19:11, "Christoph Hormann" <chris_hormann at gmx.de> wrote:

> On Tuesday 19 December 2017, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
> >
> > It hurts when people tweet this kind of stuff, I follow Frederik's
> > sentiment. I have responded on twitter a couple of times when this
> > happens. But how we respond to this has to be different from what
> > we've done up until now:
> >
> > "It's not true, there isn't a problem, and let's do nothing!"
> >
> > This reaction is normal, [...]
> No, it is not and since no one here said anything like that implying
> people do and that it is normal to do so is demeaning.
> If anyone comes up here with specific critique on the way people
> communicate and treat other people and does so respectfully and in a
> tolerant way, supports this critique with solid arguments and most
> importantly is open to the possibility of being wrong about it, i will
> be the first to defend them against voices who deny this needs careful
> consideration.  But that is not the case here.
> Before the board elections Joost rightfully pointed out that it is
> important to clearly speak up if people make comments you consider
> offensive or otherwise inappropriate.  This is what is happening here
> regarding Dale Kunce's comments.  Frederik and Rod both pointed out in
> detail how that is the case with Dale's comments.  Please don't try to
> spin this into yet another 'we need a CoC' campaign.  It would be
> incredibly ironic if a statement by a radical CoC lobbyist that is in
> blatant violation of just about any CoC you could imagine was used as
> an argument for imposing a CoC on the OSM community.
> I am all for continuing the discourse on how to support friendly,
> respectful and open cross cultural communication in a growing global
> OSM community.  But do not let statements like that from Dale Kunce
> which trample on just about everything OpenStreetMap stands for
> influence this discourse.
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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