[Osmf-talk] Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team at the OSM Foundation in 2017
Simon Poole
simon at poole.ch
Wed Nov 29 23:32:05 UTC 2017
Am 29.11.2017 um 21:57 schrieb Dale Kunce:
> Lots of people here have expressed an interest in having geographic
> diversity on the board. Maybe this is cart before the horse. I'm
> curious what the metrics are behind the actual membership is made up
> of. I know that we don't have demographic data for OSMF members but do
> we have at least a country or regional breakdown. Maybe the first step
> is to start actively recruiting more OSMF members in under represented
> areas.
>
Just so that words don't get put in my mouth: I was referring to "our
overall community" not the OSMF membership which may, or may not show a
similar distribution as actual mappers (we simple don't know). Depending
on ones stance, that may or may not be desirable.
Simon
PS:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/f/fa/Continental_distribution_2016.png
> Dale
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch
> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 29.11.2017 um 19:45 schrieb Rihards:
> > On 2017.11.29. 20 <tel:2017.11.29.%2020>:41, john whelan wrote:
> >> The other part of perception is HOT is inc in the USA.
> Donald's recent
> >> tweets may not reflect HOT's views but the association maybe
> drawn by some.
> > if i got the reference right, that's an extremely long stretch
> that i do
> > not agree with, but acknowledge that it might be noticed by
> somebody.
>
> I don't think that anybody particularly associates Trump with the US
> board members :-). There is naturally an issue. that particularly
> if you
> believe that the board should be a representative body (not
> necessarily
> a believe I hold) there has been a long time over-representation of
> North America, mainly at the expense of Asia and developing countries.
> But that is just one of many imbalances relative to the make up of our
> overall community.
>
> Simon
> >
> >> Cheerio John
> >>
> >> On 29 November 2017 at 13:29, Rihards <richlv at nakts.net
> <mailto:richlv at nakts.net>
> >> <mailto:richlv at nakts.net <mailto:richlv at nakts.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2017.11.29. 20 <tel:2017.11.29.%2020>
> <tel:2017.11.29.%2020>:21, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> >> >> On Nov 29, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Christoph Hormann
> <chris_hormann at gmx.de <mailto:chris_hormann at gmx.de>
> <mailto:chris_hormann at gmx.de <mailto:chris_hormann at gmx.de>>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wednesday 29 November 2017, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> >> >>> [...] Merely
> >> >>> having an affiliation DOES NOT represent a conflict of
> interest. A
> >> >>> conflict of interest only arises when a topic is being
> addressed
> >> >>> where a board member has an interest in the topic
> stemming from their
> >> >>> outside affiliation that may not align with the
> interest of OSMF.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am no expert on conflicts of interests but i think
> this is not quite
> >> >> correct. As i understand it a conflict of interest
> exists based on the
> >> >> possibility of an undue influence of a secondary
> interest, not just if
> >> >> such an influence is actually exercised in a meaningful way.
> >> >>
> >> >> My understanding is that even if you know/believe your
> secondary
> >> >> interests (for example as a Telenav employee) align
> perfectly with the
> >> >> interests of the OSMF on a certain matter or even if you
> intend to act
> >> >> against these secondary interests you would still have
> to recuse
> >> >> yourself from participation in a decision making process
> on matters
> >> >> where your employer has an interest in due to the
> possibility that
> >> >> these interests do not align perfectly and you might put
> these
> >> >> interests above your obligation as a board member.
> >> >
> >> > Correct, but there still needs to be a situation to give
> rise to a conflict of interest, as the Companies Act states
> clearly. Merely having an affiliation does not constitute a
> conflict of interest in and of itself.
> >>
> >> the biggest problem seems to be not a legal one, but more
> of the
> >> perception, the image. harsh reaction and bringing up the
> companies act
> >> might do the opposite - convince the concerned that their
> concerns have
> >> been valid and things are "legally clean but ugly".
> >>
> >> personally, i trust the HOT members in osmf, but i am
> concerned with the
> >> perception angle. as an example, what if all osmf board
> members were
> >> from HOT, would it make the concern more clear ?
> >>
> >> this might be a slight difference between the eu/usa
> viewpoints (sorry
> >> to other regions, i'm less familiar with the cultural
> nuances there).
> >> european contributors sometimes view usa as a very
> corporate-centered
> >> place with little grassroots activity and volunteering, and
> HOT has been
> >> run more as a company, less as a community.
> >>
> >> the suggestion regarding the working groups was very
> interesting. if the
> >> HOT members who are on or are running for the board would
> explain why
> >> they are aiming for the board instead of contributing at
> the working
> >> groups (where they might even be able to have a bigger
> impact), that
> >> might help to reduce the concerns that have been expressed
> here and
> >> elsewhere.
> >>
> >> > I think I caused confusion where I stated that the board
> has been able to self-regulate this. This may have implied that we
> rely on each other to call each other out on potential CoI. This
> is not the case, I trust my fellow board members to disclose when
> needed, and this has happened on a few occasions.
> >> >
> >> > Martijn
>
>
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