[Osmf-talk] DWG survey on organized editing

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Sun Oct 8 09:28:11 UTC 2017

The survey is going to be skewed in many ways for example by higher
participation from people associated with organisations with a vested
interest in paid/organized editing. I don't really think anybody was
even remotely assuming that this was going to be representative (doing a
representative survey would face many many challenges in any case), but
more simply a rough gathering of sentiment on the issue. Given that, I
think we can live with the slight advantage we've given to English
speakers. Just as with the suggestion to have the questions vetted by
the community in advance, there is just so much bureaucracy that  you
can apply to such a simple action without it becoming too heavyweight to
ever happen.


Am 08.10.2017 um 10:28 schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
> Hi Allan, *,
> One of my biggest reservations is the fact that the survey is being
> conducted in English only.
> From my work for weeklyOSM I know for sure that many contributors from
> French-speaking cultural circles or speakers from Latin America will
> certainly be overwhelmed by the survey in English. The same applies to
> many of the German-speaking contributors I have spoken to.
> In this way, the result will certainly not be representative.
> cheers 
> 2017-10-08 9:37 GMT+02:00 Allan Mustard <allan at mustard.net
> <mailto:allan at mustard.net>>:
>     Dear Friends,
>     I just took the survey, and have to say that my graduate degree in
>     agricultural economics, which included a course in survey sampling
>     and statistical methods, informed me that there was not a lot of
>     bias in the survey, with all due respect to my OSM volunteer
>     colleagues who have raised objections to it.  IMHO the survey
>     addresses a very real problem of correcting problems inserted by
>     paid organized mappers (with which I have had to contend more than
>     once in mapping the distant, largely unheard of country of
>     Turkmenistan), who are thousands of miles away, and base their
>     edits on five-year-old Bing imagery coupled with gross assumptions
>     of what the ground truth would reveal.
>     Could the survey have been designed better?  Yes, probably it
>     could have been, had we engaged some social scientists with Ph.D.s
>     in statistical survey techniques, but for the OSM Foundation's
>     purposes, this survey will likely prove adequate to gauge the
>     opinions of the mapping community.  I'm glad I had the opportunity
>     to voice my opinion about something that irritates me--having to
>     fix errors inserted by people who aren't within a thousand miles
>     of here, but think they know what they are doing.
>     Warm regards to all, best regards from sunny Ashgabat--and be sure
>     to look up my Mapillary images from this weekend of a trip to see
>     the longest dinosaur tracks in the world, once my smartphone
>     finishes uploading them!
>     cheers,
>     apm-wa (Allan Mustard)
>     On 10/6/2017 1:01 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>     Everyone,
>>     On 20.09.2017 06:50, Paul Norman wrote:
>>>     The Data Working Group is conducting a survey as part of its work on a
>>>     policy covering paid mapping.
>>     We plan to close the survey on Sunday night (at 23:59:59 UTC), that's 2
>>     days and 16 hours from now. We'll then take some time to analyze the
>>     results and share them with you, then draft a policy informed by the
>>     results and the discussion here and elsewhere, and present that for
>>     further discussion.
>>     Bye
>>     Frederik
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