[Osmf-talk] 2018 a third episode of entryism by HOT US Inc at OSMF Board after 2015 and 2017: call 4 action (candidates/members) for a balanced OSMF Board

Joseph Reeves iknowjoseph at gmail.com
Wed Dec 12 13:39:35 UTC 2018

Hi Christoph,

As alluded to in my original email, I don't have a huge amount of time to
be following up on this: That's why I raised a specific procedural point
(the method by which the entire French and German hobby OSM communities
could join HOT) that you had clearly misunderstood, before engaging briefly
in a wider discussion.

We disagree on the wider discussion, which is fine; I'm happy for you to
chalk that one up as your victory and we can both get on with the day.

Thanks as ever, Joseph

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 13:25, Christoph Hormann <chris_hormann at gmx.de>

> What you write seems to nicely demonstrate how many HOT Members
> apparently perceive OpenStreetMap and the local hobby mapper
> communities.
> The problem with that is that you do not acknowledge or show awareness
> of the fact that many local mappers all over the world perceive OSM
> very differently.  A statement like:
> > HOT's role here is even more exciting because HOT currently generates
> much of the geographic diversity that is desired within OSMF.
> is not only deeply insulting to huge parts of the OSM community, it is
> in particular striking that you apparently do not see that it is.  You
> somehow seem to think that this engineered HOT diversity is a
> representation of the diversity of the OSM community.
> I mean the very idea of 'generating diversity' is pretty preposterous if
> you think about it for a moment.
> And frankly whenever someone from HOT starts talking about leadership
> and community leaders in the OSM context i am appalled because this so
> ostentatiously demonstrates a complete lack of awareness of and respect
> for the culture of OSM without central leadership and for the fact that
> the role of the OSMF is to serve the OSM community and not to lead it.
> For people active in an organization with global activities like HOT
> this lack of sensitivity for other cultures is quite remarkable.
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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