[Osmf-talk] Subscription of OSMF members to the osmf-talk mailinglist

[Rihards]

On 18.02.19 23:35, Mikel Maron wrote:
> Heya Manfred
> 
> Yea no problem by me with calling out data quality issues at mapathons.
> Other topics just seem one sided often, to me at least. I'm not
> interested in arguing over specific instances, so just to help with
> understanding my point of view...
> 
> For instance, this from back in December has a length paragraph about
> HOT and OSMF. Yes there's a bit that states "For some OSMF members," but
> what's missing is "For other OSMF members, this is something different
> entirely"
> 
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/11173
> 
> Or this week, "members asked their representatives for openness and
> transparency, which was met with some pushback", referencing a post by
> Heather which read to me about a different topic entirely.
> 
> Rihards asked for a specific case of defensiveness. I'm having trouble
> finding it, but I think I suggested a more "neutral" way of framing a
> WeeklyOSM item over a year ago, and I was accused of spying or something :)

Thank you Mikel, those examples seem like they could benefit from a bit
more neutrality, although they are not terribly one-sided either.
Personally, I'd appreciate a summary you'd say covers the second example
well.

Those examples also don't seem to be that much of a personal opinion or
a political statement, more like in favour of a principle (openness,
data quality...). While it could be framed to be politics, we'd get to
somebody being seen as supporting closedness or lower data quality, so ugh.

The original statement contained "also has an attitude that can also be
expressed in the text". I don't know whether that's something lost in
translation or me lacking the language knowledge, but I don't have a
clear understanding what that meant. A clarification from the WOSM team
would be appreciated.

> Mikel
> 
> 
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 18, 2019, 1:26:00 PM PST, manfred
> <ma.reiter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Mikel,
> 
> one essential attitude is the responsibility for the quality of the
> data. I can give you an example from #448. ;-) Maybe you noticed that we
> opened our Content Management System OSMBC for everyone some time ago.
> The following article was submitted and ready for issue #448:
> 
> "MSF (Doctors Without Borders) invites everyone to a Missing Maps
> Mapathon in Berlin on 26 February 2019 from 19:00 to 21:45."
> 
> The article contains all necessary information and could have been
> published. But we took the liberty to add the following sentence:
> 
> "Since high-quality maps are essential to help people in crisis areas,
> experienced mappers are invited to participate, and to train and monitor
> newbies."
> 
> That's an attitude - isn't it?
> 
> Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator <http://www.DeepL.com/Translator>
> 
> Am 18.02.19 um 16:39 schrieb Mikel Maron:
> 
>> weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz generally refrains from personal opinions and
> political statements.  weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz also has an attitude that
> can also be expressed in the text.
> 
> Can WeeklyOSM explain its "attitude"? I often find myself reading
> WeeklyOSM items scratching my head over how it doesn't represent a few
> people's personal opinions and priorities, especially when it comes to
> OSMF topics. 
> 
> Also, what is the best way for us to point out issues with WeeklyOSM? I
> think WeeklyOSM is a great resource, but everything we do can be better
> right? When I've pointed things out in the past, the response has been a
> bit defensive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019, 6:46:40 AM PST, Manfred A. Reiter
> <ma.reiter at gmail.com> <mailto:ma.reiter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Lukasz,
> 
>     Am 14.02.19 um 01:10 schrieb Lukasz Kruk:
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Just as an idea, I think an absolutely fantastic regular update on
>>     OSM things is the Weekly blog (http://www.weeklyosm.eu/). I'm not
>>     sure who manages it and if it has any formal affiliation with OSMF
>>     (the about links send me to some seemingly unrelated websites),
>>     but it does a wonderful job of summarising discussions, technical
>>     tips, news, and a lot of other things about OSM.
> 
> Thank you very much for your evaluation of our work.
> 
>>     It's exactly the type of a regular update that I think a lot
>>     people who express increasing interest in OSM by joining OSMF
>>     would be interested in. Perhaps its contents could be disseminated
>>     through a mailing list with autosubscription for new OSMF members?
> 
> We offer such a service ... see it on our website: "Subscribe to
> weeklyOSM via Email"
> 
> [...]
>  
> FYI
> weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz is independent of all organizations and companies.
> This applies to the OSMF, HOT, FOSSGIS, local chapters ... and all
> organisations and/or companies (not listed here). ;-)
> 
> We see ourselves as a service of the community for the community.
> Therefore the "about link" also leads to some independent websites.
> 
> weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz generally refrains from personal opinions and
> political statements.  weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz also has an attitude that
> can also be expressed in the text.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> [...]
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 Rihards