[Osmf-talk] Subscription of OSMF members to the osmf-talk mailinglist

Mikel Maron mikel.maron at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 21:35:52 UTC 2019

Heya Manfred
Yea no problem by me with calling out data quality issues at mapathons. Other topics just seem one sided often, to me at least. I'm not interested in arguing over specific instances, so just to help with understanding my point of view...
For instance, this from back in December has a length paragraph about HOT and OSMF. Yes there's a bit that states "For some OSMF members," but what's missing is "For other OSMF members, this is something different entirely"

Or this week, "members asked their representatives for openness and transparency, which was met with some pushback", referencing a post by Heather which read to me about a different topic entirely.
Rihards asked for a specific case of defensiveness. I'm having trouble finding it, but I think I suggested a more "neutral" way of framing a WeeklyOSM item over a year ago, and I was accused of spying or something :)

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

    On Monday, February 18, 2019, 1:26:00 PM PST, manfred <ma.reiter at gmail.com> wrote:  
one essential attitude is the responsibility for the quality of the data. I can give you an example from #448. ;-) Maybe you noticed that we opened our Content Management System OSMBC for everyone some time ago. The following article was submitted and ready for issue #448:
 "MSF (Doctors Without Borders) invites everyone to a Missing Maps Mapathon in Berlin on 26 February 2019 from 19:00 to 21:45."
 The article contains all necessary information and could have been published. But we took the liberty to add the following sentence:
 "Since high-quality maps are essential to help people in crisis areas, experienced mappers are invited to participate, and to train and monitor newbies."
 That's an attitude - isn't it?
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  Am 18.02.19 um 16:39 schrieb Mikel Maron:
> weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz generally refrains from personal opinions and political statements.  weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz also has an attitude that can also be expressed in the text.
  Can WeeklyOSM explain its "attitude"? I often find myself reading WeeklyOSM items scratching my head over how it doesn't represent a few people's personal opinions and priorities, especially when it comes to OSMF topics.  
  Also, what is the best way for us to point out issues with WeeklyOSM? I think WeeklyOSM is a great resource, but everything we do can be better right? When I've pointed things out in the past, the response has been a bit defensive. 
  * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron  
      On Thursday, February 14, 2019, 6:46:40 AM PST, Manfred A. Reiter <ma.reiter at gmail.com> wrote:  
Hi Lukasz, 
 Am 14.02.19 um 01:10 schrieb Lukasz Kruk:
  Just as an idea, I think an absolutely fantastic regular update on OSM things is the Weekly blog (http://www.weeklyosm.eu/). I'm not sure who manages it and if it has any formal affiliation with OSMF (the about links send me to some seemingly unrelated websites), but it does a wonderful job of summarising discussions, technical tips, news, and a lot of other things about OSM.   
Thank you very much for your evaluation of our work. 
   It's exactly the type of a regular update that I think a lot people who express increasing interest in OSM by joining OSMF would be interested in. Perhaps its contents could be disseminated through a mailing list with autosubscription for new OSMF members?   
We offer such a service ... see it on our website: "Subscribe to weeklyOSM via Email"
 [...]   FYI 
  weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz is independent of all organizations and companies. This applies to the OSMF, HOT, FOSSGIS, local chapters ... and all organisations and/or companies (not listed here). ;-)
We see ourselves as a service of the community for the community. Therefore the "about link" also leads to some independent websites. 
weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz generally refrains from personal opinions and political statements.  weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz also has an attitude that can also be expressed in the text.
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