[Osmf-talk] Use ESRI vector OSM for osm.org?

Tue Jul 16 19:03:31 UTC 2019

Hello,

is there no option to host own vector tile service?

Like described in 
https://info.crunchydata.com/blog/dynamic-vector-tiles-from-postgis ?

Or am I missing something?

Radoje

On 14.07.19 17:33, Jaak Laineste wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there full data schema documentation for the tiles, and what is 
> license terms for this, and for the styling definitions? Something 
> like OMT has here: https://openmaptiles.org/schema/? Some companies 
> (e.g. Mapbox) prefer to keep these as internal IP, so the vector tiles 
> could be there, but they work in their own tools only.
>
> The low level MVT format is Mapbox original one, or with some extensions?
>
> Jaak
>
>
>> On 14 Jul 2019, at 16:02, Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski <me at komzpa.net 
>> <mailto:me at komzpa.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ESRI is the first tiles that recreate OSM Standard look in vector, 
>> that is why it's more relevant. Given that ESRI is a gold corporate 
>> member of OSM Foundation, it may happen it chooses to donate 
>> rendering stack to the community, so we can get this next 
>> technological leap.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Milo van der Linden 
>> <milo at dogodigi.net <mailto:milo at dogodigi.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     I agree on the vector tiles, I do however think esri is getting
>>     to much credit when we say we are going to use their vector
>>     tiles. Mapnik tried to pioneer this field, followed by Mapbox,
>>     then the openmaptiles initiative started too and when esri saw
>>     the potential, they hopped on the wagon as well. It is my hope
>>     that the openstreetmap community, when moving to vector tiles,
>>     will adapt the most open standard available.
>>
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_tiles
>>     https://openmaptiles.org/about/
>>
>>     Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 10:20 schreef Oleksiy Muzalyev
>>     <oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch <mailto:oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch>>:
>>
>>         The real advantage and promise of the vector tiles approach
>>         is the possibility to select a language of the map. I did not
>>         find this feature on the ESRI map.
>>
>>         Langue selection would end the "language editing wars", it
>>         would also make the map practicable for tourists. For
>>         example, one wants the map of Beijing in, say, Spanish, -
>>         here you are, select the Spanish language in the drop-down
>>         list. But for this to work the tag: name:es=Pekín should be
>>         present in the OSM database.
>>
>>         The geographical names differ even in linguistically close
>>         languages. And it should be reflected in the OSM database for
>>         the language selection to work well. I mean there should be a
>>         big preparation process on the database editing (mapping) side.
>>
>>         One more consideration, - the client side rendering sounds
>>         like there is one client. But in fact it means rendering in a
>>         browser, or even more correctly in a rendering engine of a
>>         browser [1]. Rendering engines, or for simplification
>>         JavaScript engines, are developed by web browser vendors, and
>>         they differ here and there not only between vendors, but
>>         between newer and older versions, and between operating
>>         systems too. There are quite a few browsers: Firefox, Chrome,
>>         Opera, Safari, Internet Explorer, and so on.
>>
>>         It means that our vector layer should work not in one or two,
>>         but in all of them, on all operating systems. What is not a
>>         trivial task at all, since client side rendering depends even
>>         more on multiple ever-changing browsers, as opposite to the
>>         current server side rendering, where all the heavy lifting is
>>         done on a single server, which is under control of the OSM
>>         community.
>>
>>         [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_engine
>>
>>         Best regards,
>>         Oleksiy (Alex-7 @ OSM)
>>
>>
>>         On 7/14/19 00:50, Clifford Snow wrote:
>>>         On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM Milo van der Linden
>>>         <milo at dogodigi.net <mailto:milo at dogodigi.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Is there an invasion of esri fans?
>>>
>>>
>>>         I don't think its so much being an ESRI fan but more the
>>>         hope that we migrate to vector tiles for osm.org
>>>         <http://osm.org/>. ESRI is just showing us that it can be
>>>         done. Vector tiles can bring a lot of power and
>>>         customization to the osm.org <http://osm.org/> site.
>>>         However, getting to vector tiles will take a concentrated
>>>         effort from a group of volunteers.
>>>
>>>         (While I have a strong desire that osm.org <http://osm.org/>
>>>         be running vector tiles, I don't have the skills.)
>>>
>>>         What we can do is
>>>
>>>         1. call for volunteers that are willing to do the hard work
>>>         2. give guidance to the volunteers
>>>         3. provide systems resources to enable them to develop and test
>>>
>>>         Clifford
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         @osm_washington
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