[Osmf-talk] SOTM Africa

[Allan Mustard]

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Point taken.  That said, nevertheless if OSM is not paying its directors
(which it is not, so far as I can tell), they are volunteers, even if
all OSM-related expenses are covered by the employer.  Further, the
board members have a fiduciary responsibility to OSMF, which is why
resolving conflicts of interest with employers is important.  I will
fall silent now and return to unpacking moving boxes.

cheers,
apm

On 11/24/2019 9:38 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
> > The elephant in the room that Steve was referring to is that there
have been and are members of the board whose position is supported by
their employer. For a great range of "supported" from actively
encouraging standing, to it essentially being part of their employment.
Somewhere in that continuum "volunteer" loses its meaning a bit. > >
Simon > > Am 24.11.2019 um 13:09 schrieb Allan Mustard: >> If OSM does
not pay its board members, they are by definition volunteers. >> >>
Speaking for myself, I cannot guarantee that in retirement I can afford
on a government pension to pay out of pocket to attend SOTM conferences.
The one thing I can offer is my time, on a voluntary basis. >> >>
cheers, >> apm >> >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 7:07 PM Steve Coast
<steve at stevecoast.com <mailto:steve at stevecoast.com>> wrote: >> >> I’m
confused why you think all board members are volunteers? That feels like
a convenient fiction. >> >> Best >> >> Steve >>
------------------------- >> *From:* Jorden Verwer
<jorden at verwer.express> >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 23, 2019 11:52:00
PM >> *To:* Steve Coast <steve at stevecoast.com
<mailto:steve at stevecoast.com>> >> *Cc:* talk at openstreetmap org Talk
<talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk at openstreetmap.org>>;
osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
<osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>> >>
*Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] SOTM Africa >> >> Hello Steve, >> >> It's
good to hear that you had a nice time in Ivory Coast and that SOTM >>
Africa appears to have been a success. For me, as a passive OSMF member
>> who only attended SOTM once and rarely participates in discussions >>
outside of the AGM, I can only respect people who spend way more time on
>> OSM than I do - and that obviously includes you. I also think it's >>
generally a good idea for as many board members as possible to attend >>
SOTM conferences. >> >> What I'm not so sure I agree with you on is your
proposal to make >> attendance of at least one OSMF board member
mandatory. The board >> consists of volunteers, and for any board member
there can be very valid >> reasons why they can't or won't attend. As a
consequence, this may apply >> to all board members simultaneously in
some situations. What would the >> effect of your proposal be in such a
situation? Can the planned SOTM >> conference not take place then and
there? Will the board be penalized? >> Neither option seems to be all
that desirable, so instead I'd propose >> that OSMF board member
attendance be highly recommended, but not >> required. >> >> Oh, and I
should probably not get involved in this, so against my better >>
judgment I'll quote the page Christoph linked to: >> "We expect this to
be the official election campaign process. We won't >> restrict members
to continue to talk on our members' mailing list nor >> will we restrict
candidates to continue discussions, but we don't >> encourage them to do
so. The official answers and questions thereof >> should be what voters
use to judge." >> >> Regards, >> >> Jorden >>
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