[Osmf-talk] attribution: board letter to facebook

[Kathleen Lu]

1) As has been well advertised on this list and in other places, LWG is
currently discussing updating the attribution guidelines and held BoF
sessions at SotM. Until that is done, there is not clear guidance on proper
attribution, and you would be asking the Board (or a company) to take
action based on something that is likely to change in the next few months,
which IMO does not make sense.
2) The discussion of an icon evolved well beyond that initial post and went
on for over a year. See the
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21769 and then later
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847 for in-depth
discussion of the (i)
3) You've repeatedly mentioned the OSM map attributed to HERE. As Martin
noted, Facebook has updated many of their attributions recently, so please
provide an updated screencapture, the name of the app, and instructions to
replicate. While your videos are labeled (like most people I don't own and
Windows phone, so I cannot reproduce) but your screenshots are not. Are
these all from Windows phone apps?

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:16 AM Nuno Caldeira <nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't know if your screenshots are from the Facebook site. if you use
> the apps there's still lack of attribution. as you know I have asked the
> board, in June to terminate their license, which they have 30 days to fix
> after receiving the notice from the licensor or have their license
> permanently terminated (ODbL 9.4). sadly, 4 months later the board, still
> hasn't decided anything. it's sad we have a license that clearly mention
> what the licensor can do and zero action has been taken (it's public that I
> have requested Facebook in October 2018 to comply with the attribution, way
> before asking the licensor OSMF to terminate). one year is more than enough
> to fix it, we are not speaking of a small startup here.
> what's worst is that we are not only speaking of a OSM data user, they are
> actually corporate members of OSMF and should be good citizens as mentioned
> on https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Corporate_Members
> "We expect Corporate Members to conduct themselves as good citizens of the
> OpenStreetMap ecosystem, e.g. by complying with our attribution
> requirements (Licence and Legal FAQ), following good editing practice and
> adhering to the community's guidelines, such as the Licence/Community
> Guidelines and the Organised Editing Guidelines. "
>
>
> here's a quote I sent to the board in July,with several attribution still
> not fixed. there's even OSM maps being attributed to HERE.
>
>
> quote:
> Sadly not all interactive maps, map previews have attribution. i gathered
> a couple of evidence which i collected yesterday and share here, regarding
> Facebook website, windows app, android app, instagram app and Local app
> (all are from facebook or side companies). the examples can be seen here
> and i advise you check it yourself on your devices using their apps,
> websites and so on to see it
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B5AF2i0Go5_jQfuoO26d5mfbi0XE-vg_
>
> A quinta, 10/10/2019, 10:38, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>> Am Do., 10. Okt. 2019 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Donal Hunt <
>> donal.hunt at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Can you provide some additional context for those of us who don't follow
>>> every step Facebook make?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>>
>> these are some screenshots from a desktop computer showing their current
>> attribution:
>> https://postimg.cc/gallery/gp6amcsi/
>>
>> I believe it is important that there is "OpenStreetMap" on the map
>> (particularly on the big map), as specified by our attribution guidelines
>> and required by other global map providers like google, because nobody ever
>> will click on the "i"
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
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