[Osmf-talk] AoA changes in Dec?

Sun Oct 11 15:16:54 UTC 2020

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 17:04, Allan Mustard <allan at mustard.net> wrote:

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> Dear colleagues, thanks for these proposed changes. I especially want to
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> types of members and gives a small donation point for our wide supporters.

Heather

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> Isn't that just a very roundabout way of
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> saying that you want to rename working group to committees and
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> all 4 suggestions you didn't indicate -why- you would want to
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> No.  The Working Groups would continue to do OSM business, i.e.,
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> Again, while I think I can make a well educated guess at what
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> employer. Essentially this would boil down to requiring members
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> It's called takeover protection, with a particular eye on any
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> The Board already has the authority under the AoA to expel
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> apm
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> On 10/11/2020 10:15 AM, Simon Poole
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> Am 11.10.2020 um 15:53 schrieb Rory McCann (OSMF Board):
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>  * that any OSMF member, not just board members, may serve on
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> Again, while I think I can make a well educated guess at what you
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> intend by making such a change, it would be better to spell it
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> out. That said, it is completely unclear to me how you would want
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> to differentiate between a member voting out of their own free
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> will in a certain way and doing the same on orders of their
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> employer. Essentially this would boil down to requiring members to
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> refrain from voting on issues their employers have asked them to
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> vote in a specific way, disenfranchising them of their voting
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> We are not 100% sure exactly how many we will propose, and
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> On the general topic of AoA changesm are there any AoA changes
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> We've already voted to not have those, so I wouldn't press you on
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> Simon
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> OSM is an open project, we should work in the open. So I am
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> As always, if you would like to publish something anonymously,
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> board at osmfoundation.org (either using your email address, or you
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> but we haven't confirmed yet that that works). As always, if you
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> board at osmfoundation.org. As always, this is a public message,
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> please feel free to inform other OSM(F) people, especially if
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> Rory
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