[Osmf-talk] Sustainable Travel Expenses Resolution – Request for Support

[Florian Kratochwil]

Das ist ein wichtiges Thema. Dass es offenbar nur einen Bruchteil der 
CO2-Emmissionen von OSM betrifft,ist egal, weil beim Kampf gegen den 
Klimawandel müssen alle Emissionen veringert werden, nicht nur die großen.

Auch haben Board Members eine Vorbildfunktion, die vielleicht andere 
dazu bringt, auch aufs Fliegen zu verzichten.

Trotzdem finde ich, dass die Formulierung noch angepasst werden sollte, 
und zwar in 2 Punkten.
1. Der Großteil der Distanz sollte mit Zug, Bus oder Schiff erfolgen. 
Long Distance Taxi ist (zumindest in Europa) ein Blödsinn, aber Taxi 
kann als First/Last Mile natürlich sinnvoll sein. Zu einer Fahrt mit 
einem eigenen oder geliehenen Auto würde ich auch niemanden zwingen.
2. Michael, in der Begründung schreibst du "vernünftig", aber im 
Textvorschlag fehlt das noch ein bisschen. Wenn die Fahrplanauskunft als 
einzige Option angibt, ich muss mitten in der Nacht umsteigen, zum 
Beispiel um 02:00 aussteigen und um 05:00 in einen anderen Zug 
einsteigen, dann ist das aus meiner Sicht nicht mehr eine "vernünftige 
Alternative".

Liebe Grüße
Florian (Nielkrokodil)

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This is an important issue. It doesn't matter that it seems to affect 
only a fraction of OSM's CO2 emissions, because in the fight against 
climate change all emissions must be reduced, not just the large ones.

Board members also have a role model function, which may encourage 
others to give up flying as well.

Nevertheless, I still think that the wording should be adapted, and that 
it should be adapted in 2 points.
1. most of the distance should be done by train, bus or ship. Long 
Distance Taxi is (at least in Europe) nonsense, but cab can of course 
make sense as First/Last Mile. I wouldn't force anyone to drive with 
their own or rented car either.
2. Michael, in the rationale you write "reasonable", but in the proposed 
text this is still missing a bit. If the timetable information states as 
the only option that I have to change trains in the middle of the night, 
for example get off at 02:00 and get on another train at 05:00, then in 
my opinion this is no longer a "reasonable alternative".

Best regards
Florian (Nielkrokodil)

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Am 27.10.20 um 11:45 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via osmf-talk:
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>
> Oct 26, 2020, 11:55 by hartmut.holzgraefe at gmail.com:
>
>     On 26.10.20 11:36, Mateusz Konieczny via osmf-talk wrote:
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>         Note that in this proposal (as stated) paying
>         far more money for car rental, long
>         distance taxi
>
>
>     where did these options come in?
>
> "if there is an option for that person to travel without flying"
>
> Anything, no matter how expensive, no matter how absurd, no matter how 
> C02 emitting
> must be selected if it is not flight and matches requirements for 
> travel time and departure/arrival
> time.
>
> This is a well intentioned but a badly written rigid rule.
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-October/007353.html
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>
>     Even though they are not explicitly mentioned as non-options,
>     going by car instead of plane would not make any real sense
>     towards climate goals
>     as -- unless sharing a ride -- cars are in the same CO2 per person
>     kilometer ballpark as planes.
>
> And may be also more expensive and more time consuming and more 
> dangerous at the same time.
>
>         or vastly more expensive train is considered as a "reasonable
>         alternative".
>
>
>     Well, the proposal clearly states that it's prime consideration is
>     environmental impact, not cost ...
>
> Yes, I wanted to point out potential for that it may also vastly 
> increase costs and end in absurd cases.
>
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