[Osmf-talk] Règles d'éditions organisées / Directed editing guidelines
Ralf Bernhardt
raabee at gmx.de
Thu Sep 24 23:18:38 UTC 2020
Mapsme should not be restricted but adapted to the needs of its users.
In my opinion there is one reason for adding things like Embassy s,
tourism attraction, bike parking etc. People want to see their home on
the map. I'm not a Mapsme user, but based on the edits I've seen so
far, it doesn't seem possible to add addresses and places or to name
streets. For people in many developing countries mapsme is the only tool
and reason to participate on osm. We can not afford to restrict this.
And not to forget, this edits are not directed.
Am 23.09.20 um 18:00 schrieb Lukasz Kruk:
> > I'm beginning to think that a simple way to improve data quality
> would be to put a less powerful tool in the hands of inexperienced
> mappers.
>
> Indeed, I can think of a few other examples where a poor editing tool
> with inadequate guidance leads to the creation of bad data. Is there a
> way to flag such cases and/or address systemic issues?
>
> For example, for some reason MAPS.ME <http://MAPS.ME> users in the
> Middle East seem to create a lot of points tagged as
> tourism=attraction in cases where it is certainly not the correct tag
> (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/YfW). To make it worse, there seems to be
> no reliable way of contacting these users. Can I do anything do help
> to fix this?
>
> Speaking more generally - is it perhaps worth it to have a
> conversation if e.g. user accounts younger than X and with less than Y
> changesets are restricted from particular types of edits (e.g. ones
> that touch relations, or delete reaaaaly large features)? Or - to be
> even more general, and try to address the problem as close to the
> source as possible - would the community or OSMF want to make sure
> that every OSM editor (software, not person) needs to have adequate
> guidance before allowing edits? Or perhaps editors with lower access
> barrier (such as smartphone apps) should require that the user
> completes ID editor's walkthrough before allowing edits?
>
> Sorry for straying off the original topic. Regards,
>
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 15:18, John Whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
> <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm beginning to think that a simple way to improve data quality
> would be to put a less powerful tool in the hands of inexperienced
> mappers. A simpler editor with fewer choices or perhaps an
> existing editor with restricted choices for a particular task or
> region.
>
> Do we really need sidewalk=no on every village street in Africa?
>
> For more experienced mappers yes its nice to have the flexibility
> but for someone with say less than 100 edits mapping from imagery
> a simpler editor might be better.
>
> The trouble with instructions is they must be read and understood
> and many new mappers just want to map first.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> severin.menard via osmf-talk wrote on 2019-06-22 7:53 AM:
>>
>> (Automatic DeepL translation below)
>>
>> Bonjour
>>
>> Il y a quelques semaines, j’ai participé à l’organisation d’un
>> mapathon sur plusieurs jours dans le cadre d’une formation à
>> OpenStreetMap et aux outils de la géomatique, animée à
>> Antananarivo à Madagascar avec d’autres contributeurs
>> OpenStreetMap expérimentés.
>>
>> J’ai cherché à me conformer aux nouvelles règles concernant les
>> éditions dirigées de la Fondation OSM [1] adoptée par son bureau
>> le 15 novembre 2018 [2], en listant notre activité dans cette
>> page du wiki [3] et en créant une sous-page spécifique [4] en
>> m’aidant, à défaut de modèles génériques, de l’un des exemples
>> fournis qu’il m’a fallu adapter au contexte. J’ai récemment
>> procédé à une mise jour de cette sous-page pour intégrer les
>> résultats de ces éditions. Je serais intéressé d’avoir des
>> retours et suggestions du groupe de travail sur les données.
>>
>> J’ai ensuite regardé les autres projets de la page wiki
>> principale [3]. Parmi les organisations qui ont fait des
>> mapathons une activité importante voire phare de leur activité,
>> j’ai pu remarquer à mon grand étonnement que :
>>
>> - HOT US Inc propose bien une sous-page spécifique, mais pour
>> l’ensemble de ses éditions organisées, avec une section finale
>> particulièrement succincte sur la qualité qui semble s’appuyer
>> uniquement sur les capacités du Tasking Manager, en dehors des
>> projets où des équipes de terrain peuvent être impliquées. De
>> récentes discussions [5] au sujet du contrôle de qualité dans les
>> projets ont montré que le processus de suivi n’est pas jugé
>> satisfaisant par des contributeurs expérimentés
>>
>> - Youthmappers a juste créé une ligne dans le tableau principal
>> sans aucune sous-page spécifique ni quelconque indication sur la
>> manière de gérer les éditions dirigées qu’elle encourage pourtant
>> vivement [6]
>>
>> - Missing Maps n’apparaît nullement dans le tableau principal en
>> tant qu’organisation, seul est présent le groupe CZ & SK qui
>> fournit une sous-page extrêmement limitée [7] ! Les catastrophes
>> cartographiques engendrées par les mapathons labellisés Missing
>> Maps ont pourtant été l’une des deux raisons de la mise en place
>> de cette politique visant à encadrer les éditions dirigées, avec
>> les nuisances provoquées par quelques entreprises contribuant
>> dans OSM comme bon leur semble et refusant d’interagir avec la
>> communauté OSM.
>>
>> Actuellement, cette politique concernant les éditions dirigées
>> n’est donc, paradoxalement, pas respectée, voire totalement
>> négligée par les principales organisations qu’elle ciblait.
>> Quelle suite compte donner la Fondation et son groupe de travail
>> sur les données devant ces faits, plus de six mois après
>> l’officialisation des Organised editing guidelines ?
>>
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>>
>> Severin
>>
>>
>> ------------------
>> Hello,
>>
>> A few weeks ago, I participated in the organization of a
>> multi-day mapathon as part of a training course on OpenStreetMap
>> and geomatics tools, held in Antananarivo, Madagascar with other
>> experienced OpenStreetMap contributors.
>> I have sought to comply with the new rules concerning the OSM
>> Foundation's directed editions[1] adopted by its board on
>> November 15, 2018[2], by listing our activity in this page of the
>> wiki[3] and by creating a specific subpage[4] by using, in the
>> absence of generic models, one of the examples provided, which I
>> had to adapt to the context. I recently updated this subpage to
>> include the results of these editions. I would be interested to
>> have feedback and suggestions from the Data Working Group.
>>
>> I then looked at the other projects on the main wiki page [3].
>> Among the organizations that have made Mapathons an important or
>> even flagship activity of their activity, I was surprised to
>> notice that:
>> - HOT US Inc does propose a specific subpage, but for all its
>> organized editions, with a particularly brief final section on
>> quality that seems to rely solely on the capabilities of the
>> Tasking Manager, outside projects where field teams can be
>> involved. Recent discussions[5] about quality control in projects
>> have shown that the monitoring process is not considered
>> satisfactory by experienced contributors
>> - Youthmappers has just created a line in the main table without
>> any specific subpage or guidance on how to manage the directed
>> editions, which it strongly encourages[6]
>> - Missing Maps does not appear in the main table as an
>> organization, only the CZ & SK group is present, which provides
>> an extremely limited subpage[7] ! The cartographic disasters
>> caused by Missing Maps labelled mapathons were however one of the
>> two reasons for the implementation of this policy aimed at
>> regulating directed editions, with the nuisances caused by some
>> companies contributing to OSM as they see fit and refusing to
>> interact with the OSM community.
>>
>> At present, this policy concerning directed editions is
>> therefore, paradoxically, not respected or even totally neglected
>> by the main organizations it targeted. What follow-up does the
>> Foundation and its Data Working Group intend to give to these
>> facts, more than six months after the officialization of the
>> Organized editing guidelines?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>>
>> Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator
>> <http://www.DeepL.com/Translator>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/6/62/Organised_Editing_Guidelines.pdf
>>
>> [2]
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-11-15#Voting
>>
>> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities
>>
>> [4]
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Madagascar_Itasy_lake_Mapathon
>>
>> [5]
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2019-June/014897.html
>>
>> [6]
>> https://www.youthmappers.org/single-post/2019/06/18/The-Importance-of-Mapping-in-Earthquake-Regions
>>
>> [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Cs:Mapathon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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