[Osmf-talk] Organised editing activity request by commercial company - Talk-Africa - TomTom

Craig Allan allan at iafrica.com
Mon Feb 15 20:49:09 UTC 2021

Hello List,

The wiki page for TomTom organised editing is not an advert in my eyes. 
It states a very few facts about the company, setting the context of 
their contribution, which seems fine to me.

I support Pierre on the concerns with classification of roads. The 
stress in Africa road tagging is functional, not physical. The 
Highway_Tag_Africa page is the standard, though 
East_Africa_Tagging_Guidelines also has road classification.

In places the major regional road is physically just two unmaintained 
ruts - but the route fulfils the function of joining major local 
centres.  The "roads" between some villages in the DRC are only 
passable for motorbikes, but functionally they are the local connector 
roads as all goods and people traffic pass along them, piled high on a 
motorbike.  And the scale of urban centres is often very small compared 
to Europe, Asia and the Americas.

If TomTom tags responsibly and respects the African road classification 
then their contribution is welcome.Â

I'd would however like to see their organised mapping team using a 
"team" username suffix pattern - something like TT-Courtiney, TT-Tabzi, 
TT-Sebasawk.  Of course this is optional, we can't dictate their usernames.

Craig Allan (South Africa)
OSM: cRaIgalLAn

> Hi Bert,
> African communities are often small with limited access to internet. 
> And we have the same problem even in countries with more 
> contributors.  It is difficult to monitor  these multitude projects, 
> either on Maproulette, the Task Managers or other organized editing 
> activities, to know how many, the extents of these projects and what 
> they cover exactly.
> In this case, the objective is to revise the roads it seems. I cannot 
> access MapRoulette presently and not sure it would show the extent of 
> the mapping.   The organizers refer to the wiki 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence> 
> while in Africa since 2013 we use the specific wiki 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa> that better 
> respond to the African context. Reference is made to it in the 
> previous page, but we have to be carefull to see this mention.
> My comments below are more general about how we could try to better 
> follow these projects.
> Without any tools to follow these activities, the risk with the 
> multitude of partners projects, is that big organizations control more 
> and more in which direction is going OpenStreetMap.
> We really need better monitoring tools  to follow and react to these 
> projects. And the first step would be to have an overview of these 
> projects, the contacts, their extent, and Changeset variables to link 
> to these projects.
> To create a wiki page of each project is not enough for us to monitor 
> the multittude of projects.
> It could be a requirement for the organizers to aliment an Organized 
> Editing Database with their projects, description, contacts, training, 
> mapping / validation progress, etc.
> A Map tool could use such information to provide an overview and 
> better monitor, interact with organizers.
> Â
> Pierre
> Le lundi 15 février 2021 11 h 47 min 27 s UTC−5, Bert -Araali- Van 
> Opstal <bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com> a écrit :
> Dear need your advise on a recent post in Talk-Africa: 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-africa/2021-February/000570.html 
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-africa/2021-February/000570.html>.
> My concerns:
> 1 do we allow commercial companies, who are not company members of the 
> OSMF, to advertise on our wiki ? See: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/TomTom 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/TomTom>. 
> Is there any verification process that this is not a hoax or phishing 
> attempt, is anyone aware of the presence of TomTom on our wiki and 
> their activities ?
> 2 seems like they have organised themself to make a team to import or 
> at least use TomTom data to "improve" data on OSM. Any Licensing 
> concerns since I can find no traces of any License agreement or what 
> that they are referring to as their database ?
> 3 If the message is real and cannot cause any licensing issues, it 
> looks interesting to me, but maybe even more the OSM Africa local 
> chapters and the broader OSM community to contribute, since it is like 
> a mutual exchange of data. Can anyone inform them since Talk-Africa 
> has hardly any active members.
> 4 Would it be wrong to request at least for compensation of expenses 
> from TomTom if someone or a local chapter contributes ?
> Your prompt responses would be highly appreciated,
> Kind regards,
> Bert Araali
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