[Strategic] User feedback or What does the community want / miss / annoy

[Mikel Maron]

10 GBP. If it's too much, they can ask for a waiver. And there's just some 
decisions that just have to be made by the OSMF. And the Board is elected.
There's plenty, if not most, of OSM that is done by consensus. OSMF doesn't 
decide what or how anyone maps.

Anyhow, I still think not just asking, but showing some options, is going to be 
the most effective. Working code is even more effective.

 == Mikel Maron ==
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From: Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>
To: TimSC <mappinglists at sheerman-chase.org.uk>
Cc: strategic at openstreetmap.org
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:50:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Strategic] User feedback or What does the community want / miss / 
annoy

I think consensus is a bit different than "lets put the search box
10px to the right and 20px down."

Seeing what features people want on the front page makes more sense.

There is really nothing that stops non-OSMF contributors from joining
OSMF.  Not sure how that makes them accountable.  I suppose some can't
afford it, but I doubt that is the reason of the majority.

-Kate

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:15 PM, TimSC
<mappinglists at sheerman-chase.org.uk> wrote:
> On 27/05/11 18:26, Steve Coast wrote:
>>
>> On 5/27/2011 1:02 AM, Kai Krueger wrote:
>>>
>>> On 05/27/2011 12:55 AM, SteveC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like design by committee to me :-(
>>>
>>> How exactly is "knowing what your users / the community wants" design by
>>> committee? How can having more information be bad in any decision process?
>>
>> Pretty simple - you don't get any consensus therefore the data is pretty
>> meaningless. If you get 50% of people saying there should be a big map on
>> the front page and 50% say no map. What are you supposed to do? It will just
>> randomize you.
>
> How do you know you won't get consensus? I'd be interested in hearing your
> justification. Usually there is some common ground even in the most violent
> disagreements.
>
> I think we might agree that openstreetmap is run by consensus - or that
> could just be my imagination. Where does this consensus seeking happen
> except on the mailing lists? Or is decision by committee the de facto method
> for OSM decisions?
>
> On 27/05/11 18:54, Steve Coast wrote:
>>
>> What we have to get away from (and what will stop you) is the list
>> permission culture. The lists will never agree to anything and we have to
>> stop treating them as the place to get permission to do anything.
>
> How exactly is OSMF accountable to the non-OSMF member contributors, if you
> just ignore the lists?
>
> Tim
>
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