[Tagging] Light rail station

Martijn van Exel m at rtijn.org
Thu Aug 18 18:53:54 BST 2011


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxford at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's various systems that use railway=tram_stop. You tag what you
> like, but there's no guarantee anyone will pick up your data if you
> use something different. I don't know if that matters.
>

You mean to say that railway=tram_stop is the convention - if that's the
case then I'm happy to adhere to that.


>
> Some tram/light_rail systems run exclusively on-street, others use a
> bit of track, some are mostly on track (and probably have proper
> signalling). The distinctions are more technical than real. All of
> them cater for local journeys and are largely separate from whatever
> heavy rail system there is.
>

The distinction between tram and light rail that I pointed out in my reply
to Nathan is a real one, although there are definitely hybrid systems
(Amsterdam, Karlsruhe, Rotterdam/The Hague are examples I know of).

>
> The distinctions feel to me to be techy things that belong in
> sub-tags. If there are very fuzzy boundaries, it doesn't make sense to
> have too many categories.
>

I do agree there. Let's not overcomplicate things. By the context (the
tracks are tagged railway=light_rail) any tool could figure out that the
stops are light rail stops anyway.

Martijn

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org> wrote:

>  > Richard,
> > Why 'should' they be a tram stop? Is that a convention I don't know
> about? I
> > can't derive it from the descriptions in the wiki.
> > The local situation here in Salt Lake is actually a little more
> complicated.
> > TRAX is definitely a light rail system (With Siemens SD-100 and Avanto
> sets)
> > but for significant stretches runs on former heavy rail trackbeds that
> the
> > transit authority owned or bought the rights of way of. As far as I can
> tell
> > the original heavy rail tracks are used, at least on some stretches. Of
> > course new signaling and overhead wires were installed.
> > Martijn
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Richard Mann
> > <richard.mann.westoxford at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Trams and street-running light rail should have railway=tram_stop. Put
> >> in a sub-tag if you want to distinguish different types.
> >>
> >> If your light-rail system runs onto heavy rail (eg famously in
> >> Karlsruhe), and shares stations with heavy rail passenger services,
> >> then use railway=station on the clearly heavy rail sections.
> >>
> >> I'd avoid using railway=light_rail in marginal cases - I think some
> >> people use it for S-bahn services (loco-hauled double-deck carriages;
> >> definitely not lightweight!), and the tagging isn't entirely helpful
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> A light rail stop, would that be a railway=tram_stop or a
> >> >> railway=station?
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like a third option is required. Here (Melbourne, Australia)
> >> > tram stops vary from just a sign on a telephone pole to "super stops"
> >> > (raised platforms, safety barriers and ticket machines) to former
> >> > train stations that now only serve light rails. The first are clearly
> >> > "railway=tram_stop", the last are really "railway=station" (but it
> >> > would be misleading to render them exactly the same as a real train
> >> > station), but the super stops are really something else, some subclass
> >> > of tram_stop maybe.
> >> >
> >> > Steve
> >> >
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