[Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb -> quarter -> neighbourhood

Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhauser at gmail.com
Tue Sep 27 20:21:17 BST 2011

Based on earlier discussions of place=suburb [1], I think it's good to start
from an understanding that "suburb" as used in OSM does not match the common
understanding of suburb in the US. [2]

That said, I don't yet see the need for quarter.  Both suburb and
neighborhood are vaguely defined as it is, so I'm not sure how another
vaguely defined term thrown into the mix helps.  Or, to ask a related
question, why can't neighborhoods overlap and/or be contained within each


[1] ie
of drives me nuts, personally, but it's got tens of thousands of uses in
OSM, so it is what it is.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II <neroute2 at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 9/27/2011 1:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> For example, in New York City, there are five well-defined boroughs (which
>>> coincide with counties, a sub-state-level division). Presumably these
>>> would
>>> be your "quarters".
>> na, those would be the suburbs. Currently they are tagged as hamlets ;-)
> There's no way anyone would call Manhattan a suburb.
>> You are suggesting that we are lacking another level, right? This
>> could be dealt with in different ways.
> No, I'm suggesting that neighborhoods should not have levels. They are
> simply amorphous blobs with no fixed hierarchy. Different organizations,
> e.g. the city or realtors, may attempt to define a number of neighborhoods
> that don't overlap, and hence are at the same level, but these are bound to
> be arbitrarily chosen and don't always match what residents will call their
> neighborhoods.
>> There could indeed be a place=subdivision for those smallest entities.
>> Please tell me, I am not familiar with American urbanism.
> A subdivision is a piece of land for which a plat has been filed. A
> neighborhood, even one of these small ones, may comprise numerous
> subdivisions, or may be part of a single larger one.
> In the suburbs, a neighborhood is generally a single subdivision (or more
> properly several with similar names, e.g. Foo Phase I, Foo Phase II, etc.).
> The term subdivision is typically used in the U.S. to refer to these
> suburban residential subdivisions. Outside the suburbs it rarely has any use
> except when dealing with official records, e.g. property deeds.
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